[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

'Mainstream media' doesn't promote religion as far as I am aware.. everything is shown from a secular viewpoint, which is how it should be.

Songs of Praise is still on BBC one

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Dont give me sarcasm we're having a decent discussion here.

I always respond to sarcasm with sarcasm. It's a reflex.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I gave a point and accompanied it with an example.

I didn't realise I'd have to list every person/group in history who have twisted a religion or anything else in this world to suit their own evil ends. I think I'll need a sub forum.

Its always a good idea to list more than one if you're making an example.

Shall we both drop the sarcasm? Up to you?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I always respond to sarcasm with sarcasm. It's a reflex.

WHen was I being sarcasitc?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Songs of Praise is still on BBC one

Songs of praise doesn't promote religion.

In that vein I suppose Eastenders promotes criminality?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Songs of praise doesn't promote religion.

In that vein I suppose Eastenders promotes criminality?

WHo are they praising?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Songs of Praise is still on BBC one

Again, anything religious is shown from a secular viewpoint. They don't 'promote' christianity so to speak, only air the program for those who are interested. I don't see the problem?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

WHo are they praising?

It's a televised mass/hymns for people interested in it. Why shouldn't they be able to have TV shows made for them? TV shows are made for every other section of audience.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

WHo are they praising?

Loaded question there.. I wouldn't expect an answer.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's a televised mass/hymns for people interested in it. Why shouldn't they be able to have TV shows made for them? TV shows are made for every other section of audience.

There are no other Tv programmes made where a persons beliefs are at the centre of the show.

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Again, anything religious is shown from a secular viewpoint. They don't 'promote' christianity so to speak, only air the program for those who are interested. I don't see the problem?

I suppose its just a coincidence it airs on a Sunday. I'd like to believe what you are saying but I dont agree. I think it is promoting Christianity.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

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The same way the Labour Party justifies spending tens of millions on advertising, which COULD be spent on alleviating the hardship and suffering of all those it purports to represent, but the question is frankly ridiculous.

The Christian church DOES carry out numerous and diverse good works of direct charity - from 'soup' kitchens in every town and city to various home and foreign charity projects.

I don't think I've ever seen a Labour Party 'soup' kitchen or any other specific charity projects paid for out of party funds -- which are collected from donations in the same exact manner which church funds are.

Apart from this, what is the difference?

So are you suggesting that as the Labour party spends money on campaigning then they shouldn't advocate aiding those in poverty?
By not mentioning the money spent by the conservatives are you admitting they couldn't care less about anyone in need?...
Not sure why you have chosen to take this topic and apply it to labour in response to my query, this is an ecumenical matter ( I've always wanted to say that)

[Ammi]

..it seems like a perfectly logical thing to me, that some cinemas have decided to not show the ad...Digital Cinema media have a policy to not run any advertising which is connected to personal beliefs, specifically those related to politics or religion because it carries the risk of upsetting or offending cinema audiences...(who have paid quite a bit of money to watch a chosen movie and with online streaming etc..cinemas need more than anything, to keep their audiences..)...I read in the Guardian that there was a lot of negative feedback from cinema goers to both sides being shown in the lead up to the Scottish independence referendum..so that would also I imagine, be something that was highly considered in making this decision...and they do have to consider audiences if considering the screening of anything deemed as controversial, which religion is thought of by many..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You have hit the nail squarely on the head Doll.face

What is it that these people FEAR so much about someone else's harmless and innocent beliefs, that they rant and rave and attack with such ferocity? And what is it that convinces them so totally that THEY are right and all believers wrong, when NO ONE can PROVE the matter ONE WAY OR THE OTHER?

I quite clearly said Kirk, believe what you want in your own living room but refrain from advertising it on cinema screens.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The vast majority of the true hatred in the world is perpetrated in the name of various religions.

What I have is despair, not hatred.

And what I have is despair of HATRED driven by IGNORANCE and RANTED as irrefutable TRUTH.

Despite the claim by Atheists and secular humanists that religion is the number cause of violence and war throughout the history of mankind, it is UTTER FALLACY and B.S.

Of 1,763 wars that have been waged in human history, only 123 - 6.98% - have been fought in the name of Religion. Deduct the 66 wars waged in the name of Islam, and the percentage fals by more than half to 3.23%.





Even taking into account the atrocities being perperated right now by IS, NON-RELIGIOUS motivated causes are responsible for nearly all human lives lost at the hands of Fanatics:

Non-Religious Dictator Lives Lost

Joseph Stalin - 42,672,000
Mao Zedong - 37,828,000
Adolf Hitler - 20,946,000
Chiang Kai-shek - 10,214,000
Vladimir Lenin - 4,017,000
Hideki Tojo - 3,990,000
Pol Pot - 2,397,0003

Almost 170 million men, women and children have been shot, beaten, tortured, knifed, burned, starved, frozen, crushed or worked to death; buried alive, drowned, hung, bombed or killed in any other of a myriad of ways governments have inflicted death on unarmed, helpless citizens and foreigners. The dead could conceivably be nearly 360 million people."

Source: 'Lethal Politics and Death by GovernmentR. J. Rummel.

I love unsubstantiated propaganda.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I quite clearly said Kirk, believe what you want in your own living room but refrain from advertising it on cinema screens.

...yep, it's purely a business decision surely..to decide not to show something that could offend the very audience that you're striving for..

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The advert should be allowed imo, along with any other religion that wishes to make an advert - so long as there is nothing political or hateful in it.

It may be worth reminding that we are 'officially' a christian country, although since striving towards being more secular seems to be more popular nowadays.. and that means having all religions (and non-religions) on an equal status, not banning religion from display like france has. That would be state-atheism.

France banned the burka (facial veil) for security reasons. The burka isn't part of the Islamic religion, just something that was added later.

Such an add wouldn't bother me. It would certainly surprise me but that's about it.

I'm not at all religious but enjoy the Christian/Pagan element of Christmas. I also enjoy being amongst the French who tend to be a lot more religious than we are; perhaps it has something to do with a close community spirit that we seem to lack here. I also love the sound of church bells ringing or going to a Christian wedding or christening. Sometimes I even wish I was part of that religion.

Perhaps I'm just a hypocrite

[Vicky.]

Don't really understand why

But also do not care either way

The less religion rubbish bandied about the better for me.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I quite clearly said Kirk, believe what you want in your own living room but refrain from advertising it on cinema screens.

That WAS the original OP subject T.S, but as usual, the thread has descended into 'Religious Bashing' and your posts are greatly responsible and bear little to do with the advertising of The Lord's Prayer in Cinemas.

It is this aspect to which I am rightfully replying. I am firm in MY beliefs and the reasons FOR my beliefs, and I do not try to convert anyone else, nor hold their lack of belief against them, but I fail to understand the hysterical and , vitriolic over-reaction on here to this subject.

Less passionate comments have been made on the IS atrocities threads by some of the very people who are so vitriolic on here about this subject, and it is worrying.

[Cherie]

I find it all a little bit precious, the ad was going to run for a limited time in the lead up to Christmas, people are being shot in the streets, blown up in that air and a major European city is in lockdown but all we have to worry about is how offended we are by a 60 second advert, God help us if we ever do end up in a war situation

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

France hasn't banned any religion, it banned the burka (facial veil) for security reasons. The burka isn't part of the Islamic religion, just something that was added later.

Such an add wouldn't bother me. It would certainly surprise me but that's about it.

I'm not at all religious but enjoy the Christian/Pagan element of Christmas. I also enjoy being amongst the French who tend to be a lot more religious than we are; perhaps it has something to do with a close community spirit that we seem to lack here. I also love the sound of church bells ringing or going to a Christian wedding or christening. Sometimes I even wish I was part of that religion.

Perhaps I'm just a hypocrite

Not at all - you are just being human and normal. And I agree with what you write about enjoying the Christian/Pagan element and about the French.

[Johnnyuk123]

See what happens on here when religion is brought up.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I find it all a little bit precious, the ad was going to run for a limited time in the lead up to Christmas, people are being shot in the streets, blown up in that air and a major European city is in lockdown but all we have to worry about is how offended we are by a 60 second advert, God help us if we ever do end up in a war situation

I have a theory... this human fellowship isn't de rigueur atm is it?
Maybe that's the overarching message, we don't want hands around the world...we want to blow the bejesus out of the world.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

There are no other Tv programmes made where a persons beliefs are at the centre of the show.

Exactly. So they have ONE show. Why not?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its always a good idea to list more than one if you're making an example.

I'll take that advice into consideration in the future, thank you.

But as my previous post stands, it was responding to a post making a general point about "terrorists" and "religion". Two very broad and non specific terms, so providing one example is apt.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

See what happens on here when religion is brought up.

No, Johnny,not because religion was brought up,because people can't accept that some people believe in something they don't.