[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Not at all - I am a dark skinned British part Asian - not a Muslim Asian but part Asian nonetheless, and I went to quite a few of these West Yorkshire 'Ghettos' with dark skinned full blown Muslim Asians.

If you are a white skinned English non-Muslim, I would be glad to meet you and take you to some of these places and I'll wait in my car for you while you bravely walk on by yourself - past the Asian shops where up to 20 youths hang around, then - if the derisory cat-calls and threatening stares or worse do not deter you - you can continue up the streets where you will meet more of the same aggression and hostility.

We'll see how quickly you run back to my car.

No contradiction at all see?

Yep.I have experienced this in West Yorkshire.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

It has happened in Luton Kizzy.

Youtube video

The sad truth of Islam in Britain.Alot of them will be all nicey nicey when you're giving them money in their taxi or corner shop.Then do things like this when they leave work and don't have to tolerate you anymore.I have seen many racist gangs of muslims abusing non muslims.I've seen a muslim man with a veiled white woman dragging her down the street and kicking and shouting at her.They spit at and abuse our soldiers and hold 'protests' with placards saying 'Death to all non believers.Of course people choose to ignore all of this for fear of upsetting them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The sad truth of Islam in Britain.Alot of them will be all nicey nicey when you're giving them money in their taxi or corner shop.Then do things like this when they leave work and don't have to tolerate you anymore.I have seen many racist gangs of muslims abusing non muslims.I've seen a muslim man with a veiled white woman dragging her down the street and kicking and shouting at her.They spit at and abuse our soldiers and hold 'protests' with placards saying 'Death to all non believers.Of course people choose to ignore all of this for fear of upsetting them.

No we don't ignore it, but like white English thugs they are a small minority

[Johnnyuk123]

I saw this video a while ago now but think it really helps shed light on why intergration into western society is still very difficult for many muslim people. Sorry but this video is not in english so you will have to read the subtitles. It's worth a watch.

Youtube video

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No we don't ignore it, but like white English thugs they are a small minority

[erinp5]

Seems he's moved on to mocking disabled journalist
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a6749346.html

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

On analyses of your post I responded to, lets see why I responded like I did

I am sick to ******* death of hearing phrases such as 'Alienating' and 'segregating' and 'ostracising' when it comes to immigrants, especially Muslims.

and then you say:

The British people have opened up this country for them, welcomed them with open arms, and extended jobs or benefits to them

So you say you hate the word 'alienate' but then went on to 'alienate' Muslims from every other type of immigrant who apparently bleed our system dry?

You are an educated, intelligent woman Red, so this is beneath you - or maybe not.

I have extensively explained WHY I was referring specifically to Muslims.

1) This thread is specifically about Muslims.
2) The usage of the words 'Alienate' etc is in posts on this thread and was used specifically about Muslims.

I am alienating no one by pointing out the TRUTH that certain people are overlooking the very real fact that a lot of immigrants - especially Muslims - segregate themselves and want NO part of integrating with indigenious British people, or our way of life, or our laws and traditions and customs.

Now, if you can find GENUINE fault with that statement, then please enlighten me, but there is no need for dishonest 'straw clutching' in trying to make out that I am saying something which I am NOT saying.

As for my innocuous and perfectably normal use of the descriptor 'them' to describe a group of people - why do you attempt to make out that I am being 'racist' or that I am 'alienating' such a group by using such a normal word?

Should I laboriously write out the name of the group in full just so that I am not unjustly accused of being racist or xenophobic or anti-immigrant by opportunists reaching for straws?

No - I am not afraid to speak the truth - on this forum or in the real world. It is said on here that Trump is 'dangerous' and a 'fool' and that may well be the truth , because he sees 'things' that are not there. But there are other kinds of dangerous fools as well - those who CANNOT see what IS there - of which perhaps the worst of them are those who try to INTIMIDATE into silence those of us who CAN see what is there.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No we don't ignore it, but like white English thugs they are a small minority

Basically this.

There are troublemakers in every group, the difference is that the media chooses to pick out mostly the 'bad' muslims and does negative stories around that because it sells better in the current climate of perceived racial tensions towards muslims.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by erinp5

Seems he's moved on to mocking disabled journalist
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a6749346.html

Its a fallacy to say Trump is's trying to address anything. Trump's policies are all so vague to give the impression he makes them up on the spot but he does tend to say the things people want to hear. Donald should stick to this ie insulting anyone who goes against him as that seems to be the biggest reason why he is still ahead in the polls.

[bots]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Basically this.

There are troublemakers in every group, the difference is that the media chooses to pick out mostly the 'bad' muslims and does negative stories around that because it sells better in the current climate of perceived racial tensions towards muslims.

The dangers we are facing from ISIS are far more extreme than from any other group in the UK. That's a fact. Many ISIS supporters are home grown so it is a very serious issue that needs to be explored fully. It is not appropriate any longer to sweep issues under the carpet. Any hint of extremism needs to be exposed immediately

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The dangers we are facing from ISIS are far more extreme than from any other group in the UK. That's a fact. Many ISIS supporters are home grown so it is a very serious issue that needs to be explored fully. It is not appropriate any longer to sweep issues under the carpet. Any hint of extremism needs to be exposed immediately

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The dangers we are facing from ISIS are far more extreme than from any other group in the UK. That's a fact. Many ISIS supporters are home grown so it is a very serious issue that needs to be explored fully. It is not appropriate any longer to sweep issues under the carpet. Any hint of extremism needs to be exposed immediately

If its a fact then where are the stats to back up these 'facts'.

[bots]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

If its a fact then where are the stats to back up these 'facts'.

the facts to back it up are the murders that have already been committed in the UK and other countries together with the jailing of terrorists caught prior to them carrying out action.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the facts to back it up are the murders that have already been committed in the UK and other countries together with the jailing of terrorists caught prior to them carrying out action.

List them for me.

[bots]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

List them for me.

No, look it up yourself

[DemolitionRed]

If you want to back an argument up with examples, you will always find them. That works either way.
You believe in what you believe and they believe in what they believe.
Regardless of what you say they won't agree with you.
Regardless of what they say, you won't agree with them.
People walk away from debates like this hot under the collar and with the same thoughts they had when they entered.

And Kirk, I made no suggestion that you are racist/xenophobic. I think you, like many people in Britain, are anxious about Muslim immigrants and that anxiousness isn't just about the radicalised ones. That's the difference between you and I...radicalised Sunni's worry me, quite a lot actually; the rest don't.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No, look it up yourself

I've looked it up[ and I cant find much in the way of 'facts' so I want you tell me where you are looking cuz it cant be the same place as me.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I hope stories like this keep coming. Every one of them is another nail in his campaign.

Sorry but not everyone is a liberal. It will boost support from many quarters.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Sorry but not everyone is a liberal. It will boost support from many quarters.

Not likely, he only has support from the extreme parts of the Republican party. One thing that Republicans have failed to understand in the last eight years is that the conservative white middle class vote is not enough to win the White House anymore. Trump's done everything in his power to offend everyone who isn't apart of his small following and even if he gets the Republican nod, he'll never get enough support to actually win against the Democratic candidate.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If you want to back an argument up with examples, you will always find them. That works either way.
You believe in what you believe and they believe in what they believe.
Regardless of what you say they won't agree with you.
Regardless of what they say, you won't agree with them.
People walk away from debates like this hot under the collar and with the same thoughts they had when they entered.

And Kirk, I made no suggestion that you are racist/xenophobic. I think you, like many people in Britain, are anxious about Muslim immigrants and that anxiousness isn't just about the radicalised ones. That's the difference between you and I...radicalised Sunni's worry me, quite a lot actually; the rest don't.

No prob Red. I am genuinely NOT concerned or afraid of ordinary moderate Muslims though. If you moved through just one normal month with me you would certainly be astonished just who number among my friends and associates.

Most of the Muslims I associate with are as detestful of IS and their supporters as I am.

It's the UK based Muslims who do NOT voice that same hatred who I DO have problems with.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

: joker:
You kidding me?

You type this:

Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
And if they are British born Muslims, whose freedoms are they.. theirs, yours, mine?
Who are 'us'? If you are here you have rights, for now.


Which is CLEARLY defending the rights of the intolerant arrogant bastards in the video, so I respond with this:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post
"There comes a 'Tipping Point' in ANY democracy, when hate-fuelled rants and draconian intimidation of others lie OUTSIDE any rights to LIBERTY and FREEDOM of SPEECH, irrespective of what colour, caste, creed or Nationality the perpetrators are - what is 'sauce' for bigotted WHITE British Racists is sauce for bigoted NON-WHITE BRITISH racists.

In my world anyway. Which is a world I want to retain as much of as possible for my children and grandchildren to grow up in."

Then you respond with this:

"Which is why we have hate laws"

Your posts REALLY are confused Kizzy, sorry.

Why would 'Hate Laws' come into this if - as you claimed - these bastards have the 'freedom' to act in the hateful way they are acting in the video?

I don't know what you are finding so funny...
How am I defending anyone? I clearly stated that I didn't agree with what they were saying you clearly misunderstood me.

We do have hate laws to protect us all from hate speech, if there are any inciteful rants from anyone they are dealt with
That was my point there, if you are confused then I don't feel I'm the one with the issue, my posts are pretty clear.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

So? I don't care who said it, what the reason for the protest was nor what the imam said in that one piece of film.

Please, point out who has said that it is the feeling of ALL British Muslims. I have no problem with the moderates, I don't suppose most people do. Only with the fundamentalists. And you'll notice, there's nothing like the trouble in this country with fundamentalists from any other faith but Islam.

I was just clarifying what was actually happening in the vid.

Ah I see you didn't mean all, just the fundamentals? well I thought that would go without saying that we are all against fundamentals.

Getting back on topic I don't feel all Muslims should be forced to have ID due to the actions of fundamentalist Muslims.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No we don't ignore it, but like white English thugs they are a small minority

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Labour MPs have demanded a meeting with the editor of the Sun newspaper for approving a front-page story that falsely claimed one in five British Muslims had sympathy with those who have left to fight for Islamic State in Syria.

The 10 MPs said in a letter to the Sun on Thursday: “We are writing to request a meeting with you regarding your recent story ‘1 in 5 Brit Muslims’ sympathy for jihadists’ from Monday 23 November.”

Shabana Mahmood, Labour MP for Birmingham Ladywood, led the Labour backbench call for an explanation from Tony Gallagher, the tabloid’s editor. The MPs said they were worried about the impact “flawed” and “misleading” stories have in stoking hate crimes.

They said editorial decisions “have consequences on attitudes to Muslims in the UK”, adding that this week there had been an “alarming increase” in attacks on British Muslims.

“Figures this week show that in one week since the barbaric Paris attacks hate crimes against Muslims have increased by 300% in the UK,” said the parliamentarians, who included Rushanara Ali, Labour MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, and Liam Byrne, Labour MP for Birmingham Hodge Hill.


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...m-survey-story

[Mystic Mock]

I've had quite a few Muslim friends in my short life so far, but tbf I think that it's understandable to be anxious against Islam as a Religion because it is in the modern times creating the most Terrorist organisations out of the Religions.

Do I agree with Trump's idea? Hell no, but I can definitely understand Kirk's paranoia on this thread, and I can understand why people are scared to go into mainly Muslim areas.

But I also understand the other point of view that the Media should be trying to calm people down about the Muslims and show some of their good sides, and not just show all of the ISIS stuff to cover up the fact about other areas where we know corruption is.