[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Actually as has been stated on programme after programme on TV when debating those on benefits, the real amount of scammers is estimated as being extremely small indeed and not 'huge' numbers at all.
hence why, once a freak case comes along great play is made of it in the media because there are really so few they can unearth.

Another great 'generalisation to belittle benefits claimants by claiming that, (without any supporting evidence whatsoever), that large numbers are scamming the system.

Any scammers should be caught and taken off benefits but making it sound like the problem is rife in the system is possibly,in my opinion,massively misleading.

Probably far more being wrongly refused benefits, having benefits cut or stopped altogether, occur more than those scamming the benefit system.

There is even welfare funding set aside for what should be claimed by some, who don't and maybe have no idea they are entitled to the extra benefits too, no one does anything to find those people who should have it however.

This removing the homeless from cities too,taking them away from towns to sheds and supposedly seeing to them there, stinks to me too.
It sounds more like prison camps than genuine help and support.

You are - once again confusing GENUINE claimants with SCAMMERS, and GENUINE people in GENUINE need of help with accommodation with those who do not DESERVE help and who would wreck Buckingham Palace if they were ascribed the tenancy - but only after NOT paying any rent there.

As predicted - you are also mitigating the numbers of scammers AND their adverse impact upon the budget meant for the GENUINE, and ignoring the points made in my earlier posts that these are not 'prison camps' or 'sheds'.

What is YOUR solution?

Finally: I WRITE from DIRECT EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE as well as from the knowledge gleaned from diverse sources, and if you think the 'scammer' or 'rogue tenant' problems are 'small' ones, then you need to get out more.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You are - once again confusing GENUINE claimants with SCAMMERS, and GENUINE people in GENUINE need of help with accommodation with those who do nOt DESERVE help and who would wreck Buckingham Palace if they were ascribed the tenancy - but only after NOT paying any rent there.

As predicted - you are also mitigating the numbers of scammers AND their adverse impact upon the budget meant for the GENUINE

I WRITE from DIRECT EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE as well as from the knowledge gleaned from diverse sources, and if you think the 'scammer' or 'rogue tenant' problems are 'small' ones, then you need to get out more.

So do I.
Maybe to you those on the left talk rubbish and are to be derided,however the right does not have a monopoly on speaking from 'direct experience' alone either.

Not saying you don't make some strong valid points above as to such as rogue tenants and landlords,if you were also referring to them,often those people are costing the taxpayer a great amount of funding,I would agree to that.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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So do I.
Maybe to you those on the left talk rubbish and are to be derided,however the right does not have a monopoly on speaking from 'direct experience' alone either.

Not saying you don't make some strong valid points above as to such as rogue tenants and landlords,if you were also referring to them,often those people are costing the taxpayer a great amount of funding,I would agree to that.

Yes, I agree Joey - Rogue Landlords and their accomplices WITHIN the Housing Benefits departments ARE costing this country HUGE amounts of money, and I am actually collating data for a seperate thread on this scandal.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yes, I agree Joey - Rogue Landlords and their accomplices WITHIN the Housing Benefits departments ARE costing this country HUGE amounts of money, and I am actually collating data for a seperate thread on this scandal.

Great stuff and good on you for doing so,I look forward to that one and being able to agree with you more on it too.

[DemolitionRed]

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/homele...rough-5226481/

Kizzy, its good to see that a lot of towns and cities are going against this order.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/homele...rough-5226481/

Kizzy, its good to see that a lot of towns and cities are going against this order.

Fantastic news heard that 50 conservative MPs are none too happy about local cuts of 33% in rural areas either and are going against proposals.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Fantastic news heard that 50 conservative MPs are none too happy about local cuts of 33% in rural areas either and are going against proposals.

This is good news.

[arista]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6861231.html

Undercover Sussex Police
have arrested Vagrants Begging

[The 1824 Vagrancy Act defines begging as a
person “placing himself or herself in any public place, street,
highway, court, or passage, to beg or gather alms” ]

[Sussex Police last year arrested more than 60 people
in Brighton for begging as part of an operation which uses
non-uniformed officers to monitor homeless
individuals and then move make arrests if they are
witnessed asking for money.]



No Fella
you should not be on our pavements

[Marsh.]

oh PISS OFF

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

oh PISS OFF

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

oh PISS OFF

Yes Good Point Marsh
these Homeless have no place to use a proper bog.

So they go
in shop doorways
and home doorways near shops etc.

[Withano]

I thought it was against the rules to bump your own threads?

[Withano]

Even if its not, it looks needy and is very annoying.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

Even if its not, it looks needy and is very annoying.

Needy for Who?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by arista

Needy for Who?

People who bump their own threads two years later look needy
Sorry that this wasnt clear

[Scarlett.]

Most people would suggest something rational, like more homeless shelters, rather than some Nazi bull**** like rounding people off and shipping them off to "an island"

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Most people would suggest something rational, like more homeless shelters, rather than some Nazi bull**** like rounding people off and shipping them off to "an island"

They only go to the Falklands Islands
when they leave the old army base
and go back to a public street
illegal begging
3rd time they do it
they are sent there.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Most people would suggest something rational, like more homeless shelters, rather than some Nazi bull**** like rounding people off and shipping them off to "an island"

If anyone should be rounded up it should be illegal immigrants who have no right to be here, not even on our streets. Our own homeless are the ones we should focus on helping.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If anyone should be rounded up it should be illegal immigrants who have no right to be here, not even on our streets. Our own homeless are the ones we should focus on helping.

As well as the corrupt bosses who pay these illegals £2 an hour and these corrupt landlords who charge the earth for overcrowded slum conditions. Until we start punishing from the top down, illegals will keep coming here.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

As well as the corrupt bosses who pay these illegals £2 an hour and these corrupt landlords who charge the earth for overcrowded slum conditions. Until we start punishing from the top down, illegals will keep coming here.

True, and the 'outsourcing' from agencies abroad are what keep this going, exploiting both them and us. What are our govt doing? nada.