[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I think depriving a child of a mother is abusive.

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

Oh noes. We will have Emma Willis telling us off like naughty children now! We are pariahs.

Winston's opinion is probably shared by at least half the country. hence why he got more votes than nancy and they had to fix it. It isn't an unreasonable opinion whatsoever.

The way he was being treated you would have thought he had said Jimmy Savile was a misunderstood good guy.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

Same

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

A child don't need a mother and father, a child needs parent(s) yes but it can be two fathers/two mothers/only a father/only a mother/mother and father..why do they need a father and mother? A child would be loved just as much with anyone tbh.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LukeB

A child don't need a mother and father, a child needs parent(s) yes but it can be two fathers/two mothers/only a father/only a mother/mother and father..why do they need a father and mother? A child would be loved just as much with anyone tbh.

Not in my life it can't ,A child needs a Mother and a Father

[Beso]

Originally Posted by jet

But that isn't the issue. The issue is that Winston thinks same sex adoption is akin to child abuse. How is it abuse when the couple have to go through a harrowing selection process in order to give a child a loving home?

But, as shown last night that harrowing selection process doesnt always work.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Not in my life it can't ,A child needs a Mother and a Father

Children have had mothers and fathers since humans evolved. It is the natural way of the world.

The leftist media want to destroy the family unit and heroes like Winston resist it.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LukeB

A child don't need a mother and father, a child needs parent(s) yes but it can be two fathers/two mothers/only a father/only a mother/mother and father..why do they need a father and mother? A child would be loved just as much with anyone tbh.

Love is only a part of bringing up a child.It is a whole lot more complicated than just showing them love.Only having one gender to look up to and learn from gives them a very one sided view of the world and does'nt give them the emotional balance that a mother and father give them.There is no replacement for a mother and father,Just less ideal substitutes.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Alright then.Can't wait until they include women in the Worlds Strongest Man competition.They can just call it Worlds Strongest Person so as not to be sexist.Maybe we'll get a female champion in the first year?

How do you equate that to child rearing?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How do you equate that to child rearing?

I don't,I equate it directly to your point
"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
No, individuals have their strengths and weaknesses, collectively genders are neither weak nor strong."

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It was a direct reply to this post by Kizzy -
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
"No, individuals have their strengths and weaknesses, collectively genders are neither weak nor strong."

My point being that men and women both have different strengths.It's nice to think that each gender can be as good at everything and sex plays no role.However it is innacurate.For instance boys have a shorter attention span when learning.They thrive more with shorter lesson times wheras girls are fine with longer or shorter classes.The genders are different no matter whether we want them to be or not.
Women can provide a certain emotional support to children that men generally don't.Kids respond differently to women than men.There are certain things a kid might feel more comfortable telling their mum or dad.

Again that is a socialisation issue, I just don't subscribe to the whole men are from mars women are from venus ethos.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I don't,I equate it directly to your point
"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
No, individuals have their strengths and weaknesses, collectively genders are neither weak nor strong."

You have taken that comment far too literally

[Vicky.]

Not this could make a decent serious debates thread..the does a child need two parents thing. and why. Personally I don't think they do, plenty of people I know have been brought up just fine with single parents (mums and dads alike). I do not know anyone who has gay parents but I assume its the same for them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Anyone who has been through or even looked into adoption will know what a long and intrusive procedure it is. It is not that easy to be approved, you have to go through all manner of checks, panels, interviews, probing and quite insulting at times questioning. Your whole life becomes transparent and looked into....anyone who goes through this process and are approved (same sex, couples or single people) have to prove, prove and double prove that they are completely committed so the child placed will have a balanced, secure and loving home. Plus, I would bet my life that all same sex couple or single parents have close friends and family members of the opposite sex who will each play their part in the upbringing of a child.

In short, anyone who goes through the process regardless or race, gender or sexual orientation deserves some respect IMO and are equally capable of raising a loved, wanted and balanced child

Great post Annie

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You have taken that comment far too literally

It is the same principal in all walks of life.Strengths and weaknesses.

[bots]

Its an interesting subject for sure, and just to provide a little abstraction. There have been plenty animals in the wild that have been adopted and reared by other parents, be they animal or human with quite spectacular results.

[jet]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But, as shown last night that harrowing selection process doesnt always work.

It doesn't always work with opposite sex couples either. They can abuse children too. Nothings perfect. The point is they try to match a child with parents he/she will thrive with and be loved by, they just don't give them away nilly willy. I doubt very much that many paedophiles would pretend to be gay and go through that whole lengthy process to get a child to abuse. Just because it's happened a few times doesn't mean it's worth discussing. It's not because it's not an issue that is at all prevalent.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Love is only a part of bringing up a child.It is a whole lot more complicated than just showing them love.Only having one gender to look up to and learn from gives them a very one sided view of the world and does'nt give them the emotional balance that a mother and father give them.There is no replacement for a mother and father,Just less ideal substitutes.

Well, as my father left my mother when I was just a few weeks old, I can categorically state that despite growing up fatherless, I'm very well balanced, thank you very much.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But is that not just in your eyes? Or whoever deleted them. Cant you put them back up and let the forum users decide?

As far as im aware there was no insulting. It is a subject i and many on here feel very strongly about.

No it isn't just in Vicky's eyes.

Having read through the thread including the deleted comments I agree that the debate had turned offensive and inflammatory, others were also offended by it going by the reports.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Love is only a part of bringing up a child.It is a whole lot more complicated than just showing them love.Only having one gender to look up to and learn from gives them a very one sided view of the world and does'nt give them the emotional balance that a mother and father give them.There is no replacement for a mother and father,Just less ideal substitutes.

A child being brought up by a single parent doesn't mean anything, I know loads who have brought up by a single parent and they have the same view as people who have two parents.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by jet

It doesn't always work with same sex couples either. They can abuse children too. Nothings perfect. The point is they try to match a child with parents he/she will thrive with and be loved by, they just don't give them away nilly willy. I doubt very much that many paedophiles would pretend to be gay and go through that whole lengthy process to get a child to abuse. Just because it's happened a few times doesn't mean it's worth discussing. It's not because it's not an issue that is at all prevalent.

The fact that it fails once is enough for me to find it far more of an important subject to discuss than anything else mentioned in this thread. But each to their own.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It is the same principal in all walks of life.Strengths and weaknesses.

Children need the balance of a female and male parent

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LukeB

A child being brought up by a single parent doesn't mean anything, I know loads who have brought up by a single parent and they have the same view as people who have two parents.

Being brought up by a single parent is totally different to same sex parents

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Being brought up by a single parent is totally different to same sex parents

Same sex parents won't effect the child either

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Josy

No it isn't just in Vicky's eyes.

Having read through the thread including the deleted comments I agree that the debate had turned offensive and inflammatory, others were also offended by it going by the reports.

Even after it was explained that no one was linking gay couples to paedophilia.

May as well delete the whole thread then if we cant discuss all aspects of winstons comments.