[hot2go]

Andy is prepared to lose the task and keep his loyalties to his mates on the other side....I hope that happens....this topic had proven he should have no loyalty to at least 4 people in main house....he will prob laugh if they end up on basic rations and have nervous breakdowns cause there's no hot water....so many ways he can make them pay for tonight's little witch hunt...makes the show that bit more exciting I think

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Andy's spinning a narrative like he knows how to do and some of you are falling for it.

Rule number 1 of watching BB... The moment someone starts using the "Bully" word when there is nothing even remotely close to such behaviour going on, that person is trying to manipulate you.

Imo all of the real bullying that goes on in BB has never been realised by the victim until they've left the house.

People that say they're being bullied like Andy and Jale really make me dubious and not trust them as they're trying to treat me like a fool.

And btw this is speaking as someone that's disliked Georgina from the very start and still do now, but I feel like Andy's making her out to be worse than she actually is which is just a miserable girl who puts on a fake Posh accent.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Riley95

It all comes down to the fact that Andy is successful and intelligent with a long-term partner and his own house whereas Sam just goes out and parties all weekend probably lives with his mum, is single and lonely and bitter and jealous.

Absolutely

[jet]

Originally Posted by MrWong

I assumed he aimed his comment at Marco. His explanation did make sense though.

He struggled with his explanation for targeting his hm's over the others though because his reason was petty (being butthurt over being nominated).

He was being honest instead of making up some lame excuse. It takes balls to say what you really feel.

[hot2go]

The others are gonna want to know who nominated Marco, they're not happy about it at all....when they hear about tonight's little charade they will work it out very easily.....that could also go in Andys favour....so many twists and turns can happen and not only by Snidey Sam and his girls.....very housemate can play games like that and prob a lot better too

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Riley95

It all comes down to the fact that Andy is successful and intelligent

Then why do so many of us watching see him for the smug and snide person that we think he is then?

with a long-term partner and his own house whereas Sam just goes out and parties all weekend probably lives with his mum, is single and lonely and bitter and jealous.

Alternatively, Andy is an insufferably pompous arse who says things which are designed to rub people up the wrong way. Sometimes in a passive aggressive manner.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

He was being honest instead of making up some lame excuse. It takes balls to say what you really feel.

Yeh it does....Andy has dignity in dealing with morons instead of moaning like Georgina and coming across as a miserable housemate....people like to see self respect

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by jet

He was being honest instead of making up some lame excuse. It takes balls to say what you really feel.

Aren't the others just being honest about how the feel about him? Why aren't you congratulating them for their balls?

[Wizard.]

Well we dont see 24 hours like for all we know they kick the sh*t out of him but it looks like he is just a complainer. Extreme example I know.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jet

Georgina let herself down tonight - boy, can she hold a grudge!
As for Sam, I can't stand that two faced slimy snake. He bad mouthed Marco and nominated him (while Andy did not), then has the cheek to question Andy about his reaction to Marco's eviction. I knew what Andy meant when he said about a reality check, and even when he explained, Sam, along with Laura and the non - entity Evelyn were still going at him.
Andy is the most straight forward, honest and mature one among the lot of them. He makes them like like silly children in comparison.

Andy did it in a sly way. Methodically pointing out Marco's faults one by one to the viewers. "Forceful" "disrespectful to women" etc.. all dressed up as friendly advice

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Yeh it does....Andy has dignity in dealing with morons instead of moaning like Georgina and coming across as a miserable housemate....people like to see self respect

So, essentially, people are just going to defend Andy as being superior intellectually and morally to everyone, therefore he can be as condescending, snide, patronising, smug and as antagonistic as he wants. All of which he has been. Which is the real reason they haven't warmed to him.

With one comment this guy made others out to be bullies, himself to be a victim, but one who will stand up for himself against the bullies.

As I said. He has both a superiority complex and a persecution complex, and he's manipulative as well. Casting himself as the innocent victim standing up to those beneath him.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Then why do so many of us watching see him for the smug and snide person that we think he is then?




Alternatively, Andy is an insufferably pompous arse who says things which are designed to rub people up the wrong way. Sometimes in a passive aggressive manner.

I have no idea why a minority see him as smug, snide and a passive aggressive pompous arse because the majority do not think he is not any of those things.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by jet

I have no idea why a minority see him as smug, snide and a passive aggressive pompous arse because the majority do not think he is not any of those things.

There seem to be quite a few in this thread who see him that way.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Aren't the others just being honest about how the feel about him? Why aren't you congratulating them for their balls?

I would if I they had any.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by jet

I would if I they had any.

They were being honest and told him what they felt. If you think being honest takes balls, then you should recognise that they have been honest with their feelings.

[jet]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Andy did it in a sly way. Methodically pointing out Marco's faults one by one to the viewers. "Forceful" "disrespectful to women" etc.. all dressed up as friendly advice

It was good advice meant to help Marco and he didn't nominate him, whereas Sam was all sweetness to his face then stabbed him behind his back. Marco was very hurt by that.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Andy did it in a sly way. Methodically pointing out Marco's faults one by one to the viewers. "Forceful" "disrespectful to women" etc.. all dressed up as friendly advice

A lot of them did this. I genuinely do not think Andy expected Marco to leave...whole house, including the others were massively shocked. He seemed to look a bit shocked top hear his own cheers too.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

They were being honest and told him what they felt. If you think being honest takes balls, then you should recognise that they have been honest with their feelings.

Honest my ass. They knew darn well what he meant when he said about the reality check when Marco was evicted, they just wanted to have a go. 3 against 1 picking on him and then not even apologising to him for thinking wrongly, but just getting up and walking away. How bloody rude.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Aren't the others just being honest about how the feel about him? Why aren't you congratulating them for their balls?

Well not entirely....Georgina isn't being honest about the situation over the hoody....she was totally dishonest in every way

And Snidey Sam,Evelyn and Laura weren't being honest when they tired to twist what he said when Marco left the house....anyone would know that it wasn't a slur against Marco but a realisation that the public and the show this time are very unpredictable....
And just like Georgina the other night, they too didn't bother to ask Andy about it first or ask Andy what he meant by it....instead they bitched about it behind his back then went together to use it against him and make him look bad....exactly like Georgina did with the hoody....
So no, I wouldn't feel inclined to congratulate any one if them for being honest, cause honest was the last thing they were all being.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

Honest my ass. They knew darn well what he meant when he said about the reality check when Marco was evicted, they just wanted to have a go. 3 against 1 picking on him and then not even apologising to him for thinking wrongly, but just getting up and walking away. How bloody rude.

No manners any of em

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Well not entirely....Georgina isn't being honest about the situation over the hoody....she was totally dishonest in every way

And Snidey Sam,Evelyn and Laura weren't being honest when they tired to twist what he said when Marco left the house....anyone would know that it wasn't a slur against Marco but a realisation that the public and the show this time are very unpredictable....
And just like Georgina the other night, they too didn't bother to ask Andy about it first or ask Andy what he meant by it....instead they bitched about it behind his back then went together to use it against him and make him look bad....exactly like Georgina did with the hoody....
So no, I wouldn't feel inclined to congratulate any one if them for being honest, cause honest was the last thing they were all being.

Every word spot on!

[hot2go]

They've shown there vindictive side way too early in the show and it cud very well be an own goal for Georgina and Sam....Laura and Evelyn don't matter cause they're finished before they start anyway ...Evelyn cause she gives nothing to us and Laura cause she's the gift that keeps on giving then stopping, then giving again, then stopping.....they're both out soon.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jet

It was good advice meant to help Marco and he didn't nominate him, whereas Sam was all sweetness to his face then stabbed him behind his back. Marco was very hurt by that.

It put ideas in viewers heads that that might not have even been thought about. Such as "forceful". He pointed a spotlight at all of Marco's faults, reminding viewers how awful he'd been.

[Jamie89]

Actually can't believe I'm about to defend Andy lol... but I don't think he really considers himself to be a victim of bullying. I think sometimes we jump on that word when it's used, but I don't think he meant it in an accusatory way, it seemed to me like he just said it without really thinking, because he was feeling slightly targeted. And regardless of the reasons why, or if it was justified, he certainly was targeted by people tonight, so it's understandable how he felt. Being someone who's normally so sure of himself... and being someone who seems so judgemental of others, having it turned around and being judged negatively himself. It took him off guard, and I felt like we saw a more insecure Andy... and I found it a little endearing tbh.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

A lot of them did this. I genuinely do not think Andy expected Marco to leave...whole house, including the others were massively shocked. He seemed to look a bit shocked top hear his own cheers too.

He was one of the only hm's that speculated that he could leave.