[Headie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

HIS opinion ,and no one has the right to tell him he's wrong

So I suppose Winston McKenzie shouldn't have been criticised for saying that gay marriage is child abuse because it's his opinion?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Hayden

So I suppose Winston McKenzie shouldn't have been criticised for saying that gay marriage is child abuse because it's his opinion?

What Winston said isn't true but it's his belief ....if he was against gay people or attacking them it would be wrong but he was only expressing his beliefs....like millions of other idiots he believes what the bible teaches and therefore that is his faith...he lives by the bible so believes it is a sin to be gay and a sin to have sex outside of marriage ....personally I would be happy to see every church burned to the ground but I respect that is his faith and he has to follow it.
I don't agree with women being second class and being made to live behind burkas but I have to respect that is the faith of some religions and therefore it's their truth. Winstons harsh delivery of his beliefs was expressed completely wrong which makes him a dip sh-t IMO but his choice to live by the bible is his right. I am gay but I choose to see it from his perspective and I understand it. Do I agree ? no, I don't but I understand his reasons.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by hot2go

What Winston said isn't true but it's his belief ....if he was against gay people or attacking them it would be wrong but he was only expressing his beliefs....like millions of other idiots he believes what the bible teaches and therefore that is his faith...he lives by the bible so believes it is a sin to be gay and a sin to have sex outside of marriage ....personally I would be happy to see every church burned to the ground but I respect that is his faith and he has to follow it.
I don't agree with women being second class and being made to live behind burkas but I have to respect that is the faith of some religions and therefore it's their truth. Winstons harsh delivery of his beliefs was expressed completely wrong which makes him a dip sh-t IMO but his choice to live by the bible is his right. I am gay but I choose to see it from his perspective and I understand it. Do I agree ? no, I don't but I understand his reasons.

I want to see all mosques burnt to the ground.


Well I don't really, but imagine if you had said that.

[smudgie]

Perhaps he has only met people that said they were bi but turned out to be gay, perhaps not wanting to come out. Not forgetting he has been around for a very long time and things were very different when it was all illegal.
None of us have a clue to what he has experienced in his life or the people he has met down the years.
He was simply giving his personal opinion, hardly asking for their heads on a plate.

[alex_front2]

To all those who say Biggins didn't mean this, he did. It's a long held belief
http://attitude.co.uk/christopher-bi...ls-ruin-lives/

Fair dues, he's going up against his "community", along with the US agony Uncle Dan Savage, I'm beginning to see the so called LGBT community isn't one big happy family. I see plenty of gay guys who don't believe in transgender people, 'Drop the T'. Civil War is brewing in LGBT.

*Grabs popcorn *

[Liam-]

In my life, the majority of people I know that have come out as bi, have later come out as gay, so I can see why people would think that it's more of a 'stepping stone' sexuality, for people to test the waters with people's reactions to them liking the same gender, but to tar 100% of bisexual people with that brush is wrong.

[calyman]

It's not for old buffoons like him to dictate what is bisexuality or even gayness. He comes from a generation where it was acceptable among many repressed gay men to marry a woman and thereby ruin their own and their wife's life. Fortunately we live in more enlightened times. Whatever one calls oneself, they are obviously comfortable with that title. There is no "GLBT" Licence Board dictating how you must perceive yourself.

[bots]

Does anyone really believe that Biggins is the all seeing, ultimate in wisdom Oracle?

The guy is a knob end, always has been. He has never asked to be treated seriously by the public in anything he has done, so why should he now be taken seriously for 1 comment made in passing? Too funny

[caprimint]

It's incredibly dumb. Forcing yourself to 'choose a side' is ridiculous. Why do people have to have a label? It's possible to be completely open about who you fall in love with instead of putting yourself in a box with one gender.

[alex_front2]

Marnie came out as bi to a great deal of media hype and fanfare, she even scored a cover of a lesbian mag Diva (Marnie became "famous" during the last days of lads mags and even she didn't get to be on their covers), so she gets all the publicity of saying she's bi ala Drew Barrymore and the others I've listed in this thread and surprise surprise she's now back on the coŁk diet

http://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz...her-sexuality/

Women don't satisfy her like men, spoken like a straight lass. Well done Marnie great publicity coup from all the media bi coming out hype. A few more drunken snkgs with girls and she might cement her place as a TV reality fixture. I suspect she will not be bothering any vaginas ever again

Forgot to add to the bi now gay later list of men:
Duncan James from Boyband Blue came out as bi in a blaze of glory, -telling the world how hot and sexy men were and how sweet women were (not hot, not sexy, but sweet , bless).

Frank Ocean came out as bi during Channel Orange era a few years back but is now quietly out as gay.

George Shelly ex Union J originally hinted he was bisexual but has now playing the don't label me card and become more coy and has been linked with a string of men. Got a feeling in 5years time there will still be no female partners on the scene. Just a hunch.

Olie Locke from Made In Chelsea came out bi about 2 years ago, everyone laughed at his supposed interest in women, he got very indignant when everyone shrugged and said he was actually gay. Women weren't interested. Fast forward 2 years, I think we all know what happened next.

This is where I differ from Biggins, whereas he sees bisexuals as being gays not fully out I see bisexuals as being g people into men but claiming to like women for nefarious reasons but as reasons womens reasons different to men.

[VanessaFeltz.]

yeah celebrities and their fame hunger represent every single bi person

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by MelihV

yeah celebrities and their fame hunger represent every single bi person

Of course they don't. But there is a certain perception amongst certain fame-*****s that a bit of supposed bisexuality might make them appear a little more wild and therefore interesting.

Of course there are genuine bisexuals, as there is every shade on the sexuality scale. But the bi-celebs mostly fall into the experimental / fame-hungry, titillation variety imo.

Personally I dont think there's any need to shout about whatever it is you prefer in the bedroom.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

Of course they don't. But there is a certain perception amongst certain fame-*****s that a bit of supposed bisexuality might make them appear a little more wild and therefore interesting.

Of course there are genuine bisexuals, as there is every shade on the sexuality scale. But the bi-celebs mostly fall into the experimental / fame-hungry, titillation variety imo.

you are right about celebs but their behaviour tells more about them rather than biseuxality in general

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by MelihV

you are right about celebs but their behaviour tells more about them rather than biseuxality in general

Agree.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

Of course they don't. But there is a certain perception amongst certain fame-*****s that a bit of supposed bisexuality might make them appear a little more wild and therefore interesting.

Of course there are genuine bisexuals, as there is every shade on the sexuality scale. But the bi-celebs mostly fall into the experimental / fame-hungry, titillation variety imo.

Personally I dont think there's any need to shout about whatever it is you prefer in the bedroom.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by MelihV

yeah celebrities and their fame hunger represent every single bi person

Or maybe rather than throwing insults at Jessie J et al, you can accept their bisexuality was a phase, an experiment a mistake and now they are solidly on the man train.

I could list people I know who claimed bisexuality and sincerely meant it but are now totally into guys but saying ginger Josh who works in accounts who is now out as gay would be unknown to all here.

Some more bi females solidly on the man train :

Amanda Palmer Dresden dolls singer. Banged on and on and on about being queer, anti conformist, a sexual rebel. Guess what she's now married to Neil Gaiman. A woman married to a man, how avant guard.

Sia likes to play the bi card but was in a long term relationship with a male partner who passed away Dan Pontifex. Briefly kissed a girl sort of liked it in wave of media hype but is back with a man, long term married to Erik Anders.

Poor women, these bi types don't really seem to like you muchmu certainly not to marry or long term ,

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Or maybe rather than throwing insults at Jessie J et al, you can accept their bisexuality was a phase, an experiment and now they are solidly on the man train.

I could list people I know who claimed bisexuality and sincerely meant it but are now totally into guys.

Some more bi females solidly on the man train :

Amanda Palmer Dresden dolls singer. Banged on and on and on about being queer, anti conformist, a sexual rebel. Guess what she's now married to Neil Gaiman. A woman married to a man, how avant guard.

Sia likes to play the bi card but was in a long term relationship with a male partner who passed away. Briefly kissed a girl sort of liked it but is back with a man, long term.


Poor women, these bi types don't really seem to like you much.

Actually, I would probably say Sam Fox is a genuine bisexual.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Or maybe rather than throwing insults at Jessie J et al, you can accept their bisexuality was a phase, an experiment and now they are solidly on the man train.

I could list people I know who claimed bisexuality and sincerely meant it but are now totally into guys.

Some more bi females solidly on the man train :

Amanda Palmer Dresden dolls singer. Banged on and on and on about being queer, anti conformist, a sexual rebel. Guess what she's now married to Neil Gaiman. A woman married to a man, how avant guard.

Sia likes to play the bi card but was in a long term relationship with a male partner who passed away. Briefly kissed a girl sort of liked it but is back with a man, long term.


Poor women, these bi types don't really seem to like you much.

it really doesnt matter how many people you know that used bi as a phrase if there is one person truly likes both genders then bisexuality is real.

i am not bisexual but i know the pain so when they speak about it i believe that because of the mutual experimence

[Withano]

Why do people think its fine for others to be incorrect because its their opinion?
Having an opinion which opposes common knowledge just makes you an idiot
You clearly havent researched it because if you did, you wouldnt have that "opinion"

If it was my opinion that penguins dont exist, that would just make me an idiot. I'd argue that I've never seen one even though its snowed loads of times in England but that wouldnt make my opinion any less stupid. Some things require an education, not an opinion. Bisexuality is one of them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why do people think its fine for others to be incorrect because its their opinion?
Having an opinion which opposes common knowledge just makes you an idiot
You clearly havent researched it because if you did, you wouldnt have that "opinion"

If it was my opinion that penguins dont exist, that would just make me an idiot. I'd argue that I've never seen one even though its snowed loads of times in England but that wouldnt make my opinion any less stupid. Some things require an education, not an opinion. Bisexuality is one of them.

Post of the thread. Nothing else to say... move along now.

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why do people think its fine for others to be incorrect because its their opinion?
Having an opinion which opposes common knowledge just makes you an idiot
You clearly havent researched it because if you did, you wouldnt have that "opinion"

If it was my opinion that penguins dont exist, that would just make me an idiot. I'd argue that I've never seen one even though its snowed loads of times in England but that wouldnt make my opinion any less stupid. Some things require an education, not an opinion. Bisexuality is one of them.

Exactly, no one can argue against this

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why do people think its fine for others to be incorrect because its their opinion?
Having an opinion which opposes common knowledge just makes you an idiot
You clearly havent researched it because if you did, you wouldnt have that "opinion"

If it was my opinion that penguins dont exist, that would just make me an idiot. I'd argue that I've never seen one even though its snowed loads of times in England but that wouldnt make my opinion any less stupid. Some things require an education, not an opinion. Bisexuality is one of them.

In other words, "I am right because I say so."

You really can't be serious.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

In other words, "I am right because I say so."

You really can't be serious.

Or because I've spent more than ten seconds researching something.

I'm sorry that its your opinion that basic biology is a bunch of mumbo jumbo but its time to get your head in the real world.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Or because I've spent more than ten seconds researching something.

I'm sorry that its your opinion that basic biology is a bunch of mumbo jumbo but its time to get your head in the real world.

So you don't believe any "opinions" exist? Only facts. And people are either educated on the facts or not.

Really?

It must be great to live in such a black and white world. You could get a discount on your TV licence.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

So you don't believe any "opinions" exist? Only facts. And people are either educated on the facts or not.

Really?

It must be great to live in such a black and white world. You could get a discount on your TV licence.

Opinions exist, obviously. but if its your opinion that 2+2=6 then youre an idiot.

Facts exist too, something you dont understand. Ignoring a fact because you have an opinion which opposes the fact makes you an idiot.