[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

How do you know he isnt claustrophobic?

A claustorphobic person would not lash out in anger, theyd become dizzy, cottonmouthed, disorientated and lightheaded. I know he hasnt got claustrophobia because I understand what the word means.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

A claustorphobic person would not lash out in anger, theyd become dizzy, cottonmouthed, disorientated and lightheaded. I know he hasnt got claustrophobia because I understand what the word means.

Of course they would get angry at the people who were locking them in a room. He was angry and disorientated.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Of course they would get angry at the people who were locking them in a room. He was angry and disorientated.

Nope. Bear was just angry. But thats nothing new for Bear. A claustrophobic person would likely feel disorientated and tight chested to the point they were unable to speak loudly or even stand. The claustophobic theory was invented by Bear fans who do not know what it means.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Withano

A claustorphobic person would not lash out in anger, theyd become dizzy, cottonmouthed, disorientated and lightheaded. I know he hasnt got claustrophobia because I understand what the word means.

It wasn't claustrophobia,he wasn't even complaining at being in the diary room, he was enraged at the door being locked and him being told he had to stay there with no time limit in place.

Had they unlocked the door or maybe brought in another housemate ,he would have sat and likely continued to talk to BB as he had been until realising the door was locked and he was being kept there against his will.

They made the mess of this, not him really,he was until that point being fully compliant with BB.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It wasn't claustrophobia,he wasn't even complaining at being in the diary room, he was enraged at the door being locked and him being told he had to stay there with no time limit in place.

Had they unlocked the door or maybe brought in another housemate ,he would have sat and likely continued to talk to BB as he had been until realising the door was locked and he was being kept there against his will.

They made the mess of this, not him really,he was until that point being fully compliant with BB.

Of course it wasnt claustrophobia!

Personally I dont think there was a right way to deal with Bear. If there wasnt a security guard there he wouldnt have sat back down, he would have broke through the camera runs causing havoc and being a danger to himself and production team. He wasnt just actigg out because he wanted the door open despite what he said to the bouncer.

I personally believe they were probably waiting for a second bouncer or they were clearing the path to the other room to make it safe for everyone involved... They may have even been ready to let Bear leave but were waiting for him to calm down so that the bouncer didnt have to deal with unnecessary trouble. Leaving Bear in the room wasnt a great answer to his anger but I cant think of a better one.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It wasn't claustrophobia,he wasn't even complaining at being in the diary room, he was enraged at the door being locked and him being told he had to stay there with no time limit in place.

Had they unlocked the door or maybe brought in another housemate ,he would have sat and likely continued to talk to BB as he had been until realising the door was locked and he was being kept there against his will.

They made the mess of this, not him really,he was until that point being fully compliant with BB.

But this has happened many times before in BB. HM's have been kept in the DR until BB is satisfied they have completely calmed down. How many times have we seen HM's shouting "open this door, let me out"? And I've never seen concern about it before.
I'm sure BB told Bear they were preparing a room for him to sleep in for the night and how long would that take really...surely not that long...do we even know how long he was kept waiting?

[jet]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

How do you know he isnt claustrophobic?

Well, if he is, all he had to do was tell BB so. "I need to get out of here right now because I'm claustrophobic" is a good way of actually getting out instead of going on a shouting rampage and breaking open a door.
It wasn't a panic attack either. People having a panic attack gasp and can barely get their breath and there was no signs of that at all with all the yelling he was doing.
My diagnosis: temper tantrum.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by jet

Well, if he is, all he had to do was tell BB so. "I need to get out of here right now because I'm claustrophobic" is a good way of actually getting out instead of going on a shouting rampage and breaking open a door.
It wasn't a panic attack either. People having a panic attack gasp and can barely get their breath and there was no signs of that at all with all the yelling he was doing.
My diagnosis: temper tantrum.

Exactly. Simple solution! Accurate diagnosis!

[Jannigran]

Totally agree with livia s post , I actually thought his behaviour in the Dr was that he was mimicking Jason's until the security arrived.

[calyman]

Bear cme into the bedroom deciding he,d do some BEAR bating with the fat fool. It didn't quite work out the way his limited imagination thought it would. To stop any further ordure flowing from his top and bottom orifices,he ran out of the bedroom, consoled himself with meaningless obscenities then threw a cup and smashed the mirror. When he was called in to the diary room, he gave a fake apology then thought in his dullard way that would be sufficient. Fortunately it wasn't, he reverted to thuggish mentality, that didn't work, he then tried to damage further property, the repair of which wasn't his concern. When he succeeded in this, the huge security guy appeared, bear then chose to let the faeces flow freely and reverted to scared toddler attitude. My only regret is why was he not ejected from the house as a result?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by calyman

Bear cme into the bedroom deciding he,d do some BEAR bating with the fat fool. It didn't quite work out the way his limited imagination thought it would. To stop any further ordure flowing from his top and bottom orifices,he ran out of the bedroom, consoled himself with meaningless obscenities then threw a cup and smashed the mirror. When he was called in to the diary room, he gave a fake apology then thought in his dullard way that would be sufficient. Fortunately it wasn't, he reverted to thuggish mentality, that didn't work, he then tried to damage further property, the repair of which wasn't his concern. When he succeeded in this, the huge security guy appeared, bear then chose to let the faeces flow freely and reverted to scared toddler attitude. My only regret is why was he not ejected from the house as a result?

Always look forward to seeing your Klimt around BB time! Nice to see you.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Livia

Always look forward to seeing your Klimt around BB time! Nice to see you.

Thanks Livia, it's always nice to receive a welcome from you

[Livia]

I recognise distress when I see it too. And I didn't see it.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

How is he getting a warning and being forced to sleep in some separate room while Heavy D just wanders back to bed?

And what right do BB have to lock him in the diary room? It must go against fire regulations if nothing else. If they did that to me I would set the chair on fire.

And the "security" make me laugh. Would love to see how they behaved if Mike Tyson went on BB and kicked off in the diary room.

Bear is going to win this after the way he has been treated.

There are always people on here who want to save the asshole, its nothing new

[jet]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

There are always people on here who want to save the asshole, its nothing new

It's a phenomenon I will never understand.

[Razor]

Bear is a prize cock and should be booted from the house.

[rebecca9]

That moment when security walked into the diary room was amazing. What a cock bear is. People have got ejected from the house for much less than his behaviour in there.

[empire]

big brother have made the worst mistake ever, by removing biggins and not that little thick chav bear, it will kick of again, because he is trying to pick a fight with people in the house, and it will kick off with heavy D, I told you that bear is a nasty little sh'tbag.

[ThriceShy]

With Biggins gone and now this eternal nomination lark, the way really is becoming clear for bear to win.

I can see it happening. Anyone who thinks the idea is ridiculous......just remember Helen won. And bear is a lot more likeable than her.

[Stevep]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

With Biggins gone and now this eternal nomination lark, the way really is becoming clear for bear to win.

I can see it happening. Anyone who thinks the idea is ridiculous......just remember Helen won. And bear is a lot more likeable than her.

I think Ricky has this in the bag already.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Stevep

I think Ricky has this in the bag already.

Perish the thought ....I cannot stand him such a creep

[jet]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

With Biggins gone and now this eternal nomination lark, the way really is becoming clear for bear to win.

I can see it happening. Anyone who thinks the idea is ridiculous......just remember Helen won. And bear is a lot more likeable than her.

It's more interesting to care about who wins, but I and a lot of people I know couldn't care less who wins this series. It's a train wreck.
Bear is more likeable than Helen, who isn't? but he's still very unlikable. I do think he'll be shown the door by BB at some stage if not voted out by the public.

[Ammi]

..in the bedroom when it all kicked off as it were, the females especially looked very frightened and concerned...Heavy was called into the DR when he got out of bed and stood over Bear and in the DR, he didn't display any worrying, continued aggressive behaviour so was allowed back into the house because no 'threat' was deemed...that was easy to see..but with Bear, his aggression continued in the DR and continued..not only verbally in threatening to tear the DR apart or whatever he was raging but also in kicking the door down...he was obviously not able to be let into the house again because how would BB know that someone wouldn't get physically harmed through his behaviour, which was completely out of control and so inconsistent and erratic that even in a calm moment, could 'flip again' in suddenness and without warning...?...They absolutely had the right to keep hi in there until they had a room/bed prepared for him but they would have also wanted him to be more calm and 'stable' before he was allowed to that room and bed as well because would he just start destroying again..?...


..we've screamed and we've shouted about 'duty of care' and the welfare of the housemates with what Aubrey did and it was wrong for BB to allow Bear to drink and eat etc..they didn't consider his well-being in that and that doesn't sit well at all but this time they have considered welfare and well-being etc and we think that was wrong also..?...he was kept in the DR for his own safety and for the safety of the others as it would have only taken a split second for him to physically harm someone, either intentionally or unintentionally in destroying property and he was too erratic in his behaviour for those risks to be taken...'I'm calm now, yes let me out'..?...well no Bear, because right at this moment in time you can go from zero to beyond reason in a split second and before we could intervene to prevent harm....if we were housemates ourselves, would we really want him back in the house with us..?..would we really feel safe and 'cared for by BB' if he were let back into the house..?...because many of those bedroom faces looked quite worried and fearfilled....he displayed no signs of panic in the DR, only a loss of control with anger and aggressive emotion....they can only go on and primarily with what was being displayed and make a decision for the safety of all....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..in the bedroom when it all kicked off as it were, the females especially looked very frightened and concerned...Heavy was called into the DR when he got out of bed and stood over Bear and in the DR, he didn't display any worrying, continued aggressive behaviour so was allowed back into the house because no 'threat' was deemed...that was easy to see..but with Bear, his aggression continued in the DR and continued..not only verbally in threatening to tear the DR apart or whatever he was raging but also in kicking the door down...he was obviously not able to be let into the house again because how would BB know that someone wouldn't get physically harmed through his behaviour, which was completely out of control and so inconsistent and erratic that even in a calm moment, could 'flip again' in suddenness and without warning...?...They absolutely had the right to keep hi in there until they had a room/bed prepared for him but they would have also wanted him to be more calm and 'stable' before he was allowed to that room and bed as well because would he just start destroying again..?...


..we've screamed and we've shouted about 'duty of care' and the welfare of the housemates with what Aubrey did and it was wrong for BB to allow Bear to drink and eat etc..they didn't consider his well-being in that and that doesn't sit well at all but this time they have considered welfare and well-being etc and we think that was wrong also..?...he was kept in the DR for his own safety and for the safety of the others as it would have only taken a split second for him to physically harm someone, either intentionally or unintentionally in destroying property and he was too erratic in his behaviour for those risks to be taken...'I'm calm now, yes let me out'..?...well no Bear, because right at this moment in time you can go from zero to beyond reason in a split second and before we could intervene to prevent harm....if we were housemates ourselves, would we really want him back in the house with us..?..would we really feel safe and 'cared for by BB' if he were let back into the house..?...because many of those bedroom faces looked quite worried and fearfilled....he displayed no signs of panic in the DR, only a loss of control with anger and aggressive emotion....they can only go on and primarily with what was being displayed and make a decision for the safety of all....

I can go with that all through until the end.

It doesn't need to be panic or claustrophobia for certain fears or insecurities to set in.

You rightly say Heavy D had calmed down,you miss out that Bear in the diary room had also calmed right down and was apologising too.

Where he erupted again was when he was told,indeed ordered, to remain in the diary room while they set up a separate room for him.
When he asked how long that would take, they could not say and would not give a time frame.

It can never be right when someone has calmed down to force them to be in a small locked room with no information as to how long it was going to take.
They accepted that heavy D had calmed down, but had he,maybe they were keeping Bear there for his safety rather than others, as heavy D had been the one who moved aggressively to him.

It is how BB dealt with this, I said earlier, the housemates were in effect in the bedroom anyway,they could have let Bear go into the garden, finish a cigarette, asking the housemates in the bedroom together until they had sorted tie room for Bear.

Someone and I would react badly to this too,being told after they had calmed down,that they were now going to have to sit there 'alone' for an 'unspecified' amount of time in a 'locked small room' is outrageous in my view.
It is the BB house not a prison.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..in the bedroom when it all kicked off as it were, the females especially looked very frightened and concerned...Heavy was called into the DR when he got out of bed and stood over Bear and in the DR, he didn't display any worrying, continued aggressive behaviour so was allowed back into the house because no 'threat' was deemed...that was easy to see..but with Bear, his aggression continued in the DR and continued..not only verbally in threatening to tear the DR apart or whatever he was raging but also in kicking the door down...he was obviously not able to be let into the house again because how would BB know that someone wouldn't get physically harmed through his behaviour, which was completely out of control and so inconsistent and erratic that even in a calm moment, could 'flip again' in suddenness and without warning...?...They absolutely had the right to keep hi in there until they had a room/bed prepared for him but they would have also wanted him to be more calm and 'stable' before he was allowed to that room and bed as well because would he just start destroying again..?...


..we've screamed and we've shouted about 'duty of care' and the welfare of the housemates with what Aubrey did and it was wrong for BB to allow Bear to drink and eat etc..they didn't consider his well-being in that and that doesn't sit well at all but this time they have considered welfare and well-being etc and we think that was wrong also..?...he was kept in the DR for his own safety and for the safety of the others as it would have only taken a split second for him to physically harm someone, either intentionally or unintentionally in destroying property and he was too erratic in his behaviour for those risks to be taken...'I'm calm now, yes let me out'..?...well no Bear, because right at this moment in time you can go from zero to beyond reason in a split second and before we could intervene to prevent harm....if we were housemates ourselves, would we really want him back in the house with us..?..would we really feel safe and 'cared for by BB' if he were let back into the house..?...because many of those bedroom faces looked quite worried and fearfilled....he displayed no signs of panic in the DR, only a loss of control with anger and aggressive emotion....they can only go on and primarily with what was being displayed and make a decision for the safety of all....

Always the voice of reason, Ammi.