[Dr43%er]

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

[mansi]

"People will also say, that, anybody who supports Jade Goody today, must be a racist or have a problem with Indian people"

nodish why do you always speak for others when you don't even know if that's how people really feel....those 50,000 complaints were not all from south asians....

[mansi]

Originally posted by richardson328
How much more are we going hear from this stupid racism row? "Jade's racist, she wants to pose in a sari" "Jade's racist she said she likes curries" "Jade's racist because she's gone to India." Get Over It, Im not racist but grow up to all Indians who are going to keep going on about this, be grateful that you have someone like Shilpa Shetty in country and next tim you come to this country, i'll start calling you racist because you like English breakfasts.

originally posted by nodisharmony
I agree that you are not a racist.

Nothing in your post's says that to me or anyone else that you are.

Some members can try and pick holes in what you say, just to make them feel better. It seems fun to some to let you fall into that trap.

I try to rise above it.

shows how ignorant you are, you clearly seem to love jade despite her behaviour in the house....i'm sure you know you're wrong but you just don't want to admit it....I think he should be telling you to get over it......

[mansi]

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by mansi
"People will also say, that, anybody who supports Jade Goody today, must be a racist or have a problem with Indian people"

nodish why do you always speak for others when you don't even know if that's how people really feel....those 50,000 complaints were not all from south asians....

I don't know where those complaints were from?

An educated guess would tell me that they were from all over the place. Do you agree with that?

The reason that I say that others liked Jade Goody before she came on CBB Jan. Is, because, she was in such demand. I am talking, reality shows, interviews, game shows and also merchandice, fitness video & perfume.

She has made so much and had three websites dedicated to her. Not to mention Myspace.com where some of her fans are hiding right now. You already know the two other Jade Fan members on this forum Mansi.

I would never question your support for a celebrity. It is your right and that is fact.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by mansi

shows how ignorant you are, you clearly seem to love jade despite her behaviour in the house....i'm sure you know you're wrong but you just don't want to admit it....I think he should be telling you to get over it......

I looked at that post from that other member. I saw how many of you started on him, saying that you considered him to be a racist.

I know that you enjoy doing this and shall continue to pick holes.

What I do, is, look past these small things and get on with life.

To be a "Realist" is fine. To be a "Racist" is not fine.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by mansi

shows how ignorant you are, you clearly seem to love jade despite her behaviour in the house....i'm sure you know you're wrong but you just don't want to admit it....I think he should be telling you to get over it......

I don't just judge Jade Goody from what I see in the house. I don't judge anyone, unless I really understand them.

I understand Jade Goody..

p.s Mansi. You posted this post twice, Whoops!!

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I looked at that post from that other member. I saw how many of you started on him, saying that you considered him to be a racist.

I know that you enjoy doing this and shall continue to pick holes.

What I do, is, look past these small things and get on with life.

To be a "Realist" is fine. To be a "Racist" is not fine.

I was one of the users that posted on there. and if I see something I disagree with, I shall say so. That is my right.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG

I was one of the users that posted on there. and if I see something I disagree with, I shall say so. That is my right.

It is your right to make your opinion known.

I have mine, "Mansi" has her's and that's that!

Forums are like that!! Differences of opinions.

[mansi]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I looked at that post from that other member. I saw how many of you started on him, saying that you considered him to be a racist.

I know that you enjoy doing this and shall continue to pick holes.

What I do, is, look past these small things and get on with life.

To be a "Realist" is fine. To be a "Racist" is not fine.

Nodishharmony you're the one who's creating the division...what do you mean by many of you started on him....and secondly I didn't post anything on that thread because like jermaine said you can't reason with stupidity...I don't "enjoy doing all of this", you seem to be enjoying all of it...you were the one clearly supporting him...anyhow I am nobody to tell you what to say and whom to support

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

It is your right to make your opinion known.

I have mine, "Mansi" has her's and that's that!

Forums are like that!! Differences of opinions.

My point exactly

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by mansi

Nodishharmony you're the one who's creating the division...what do you mean by many of you started on him....and secondly I didn't post anything on that thread because like jermaine said you can't deal with stupidity...I don't "enjoy doing all of this", you seem to be enjoying all of it...I was the one that happened to look past that whereas you posted on that thread saying how you supported him and his view.

I didn't know that you are following Jermaine Jackson's instruction?

Is that the same Jermaine Jackson who went in the other room and did nothing to mediate between the two??

Or was that not shown?

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I am not creating a division. We just don't think alike. Also, I appear to be in Jade's camp and that is not a popular camp at the moment. I am aware of that.

I said, "Many of you started on him", perhaps it was two or three? I can't remember now. It is quite low on my list of priorities.

I did post on that thread, as I know how it feels to be ganged up on, on this forum. I defended this, as it was overscrutinizing again.

I don't see Jade Goody supporters joining in with me, do you?

There are a couple around, but, I think they are hiding behind another topic.

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony


I did post on that thread, as I know how it feels to be ganged up on, on this forum. I defended this, as it was overscrutinizing again.

I do not gang up on people. I am not a bully. I post my own opinions and views.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG

I do not gang up on people. I am not a bully. I post my own opinions and views.

I agree that your own opinions are nice to hear.

It is amazing to see how two forum members, (spacebandit) & (Dr43%er) can cause havoc to a topic which is going so well. I mean, it is easy to go onto Shilpa or Jo on a Jade topic. But, to start attacking a forum member and break rules and get away with it looks like corruption to me. Tonight, they might post 20 nasty posts. WOW that should be productive, NOT!!

I state the facts about Jade Goody and the other girls.

Some are educated opinions and anybody can critisize that.

I welcome critisism..

[mansi]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I didn't know that you are following Jermaine Jackson's instruction?
Is that the same Jermaine Jackson who went in the other room and did nothing to mediate between the two??

Or was that not shown?

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I am not creating a division. We just don't think alike. Also, I appear to be in Jade's camp and that is not a popular camp at the moment. I am aware of that.

I said, "Many of you started on him", perhaps it was two or three? I can't remember now. It is quite low on my list of priorities.

I did post on that thread, as I know how it feels to be ganged up on, on this forum. I defended this, as it was overscrutinizing again.

I don't see Jade Goody supporters joining in with me, do you?

There are a couple around, but, I think they are hiding behind another topic.

Jermaine didn't bother to interfere because he is wise, and so he took shilpa to the other room and tried to make her understand not to reason with jade....Jermaine was the only one in the house who tried to mediate the two...the rest were laughing and Cleo and Ian were just there watching....

it's nothing intentional, well from my side atleast....we all seem to oppose your opinions.... you have no "supporters" because nobody likes Jade...that's the truth, you have to learn to deal with it, instead of going around and trying to irritate everyone by posting essays which are based on your assumptions instead of facts....you're just making things worse for Jade

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by mansi

Jermaine didn't bother to interfere because he is wise, and so he took shilpa to the other room and tried to make her understand not to reason with jade....Jermaine was the only one in the house who tried to mediate the two...the rest were laughing and Cleo and Ian were just there watching....

it's nothing intentional, well from my side atleast....we all seem to oppose your opinions.... you have no "supporters" because nobody likes Jade...that's the truth, you have to learn to deal with it, instead of going around and trying to irritate everyone by posting essays which are based on your assumptions instead of facts....you're just making things worse for Jade

Thanks for telling me, what I already know!!

Jermaine didn't interfere. Ian & Cleo did watch and do nothing.

Sometimes it is better to stay away, as, if you are neutral, you can get away with pretending to like Jade Goody, when, behind her back, things would be different!

Jade Goody would understand that..

That is when she says, "Your a liar & a fake"

[Mrluvaluva]

Do you think any good is going to come from the whole Jade/Shilpa/Jo/Danielle scenario nodis?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
Do you think any good is going to come from the whole Jade/Shilpa/Jo/Danielle scenario nodis?

I won't say the word (Good).

What I would say, is, Big Brother 8 will be very interesting. Any wrong word between a white man or woman against someone of brown or black skinned, will be scrutinized badly.

[Mrluvaluva]

So is that a no then?

[Bells]

I think the main thing you're not realising nodisharmony, is that it's gone past the racial discrimination stage now. At least, that's now what I'm on about. Whilst I'm not condoning any racist comments that were made on CBB5, you do have a habit to continuously going back to that issue rather than the matter at hand which is general mistreatment, unfairness, bullying and ignorance.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
So is that a no then?

A politician would have to elaborate and waffle.

I shall say (no) and get it over with.

[Mrluvaluva]

Thankyou. Straight to the point is how I like it.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
I think the main thing you're not realising nodisharmony, is that it's gone past the racial discrimination stage now. At least, that's now what I'm on about. Whilst I'm not condoning any racist comments that were made on CBB5, you do have a habit to continuously going back to that issue rather than the matter at hand which is general mistreatment, unfairness, bullying and ignorance.

Okay, I shall keep it short and sweet on each point.

(mistreatment) Jade Goody is very flippent to Shilpa and at least three past housemates from other shows too. She doesn't use much tact towards them and is happy to treat them this way.

Does she mean it? or, is she aware of what reality shows want and crave for, plenty of drama! So is she real or fake! That you will have to prove, before drawing opinions on her.
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(unfairness) My god! Unfairness is every single part of this CBB Jan. show in every single way. On this forum too.

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(Bullying) It can look like that? But what is a disagreement or an argument or a heated discussion can be separate from bullying. I hate to label it as that all the time.

I know what bullying is, (first hand), to me, it is the thought of possible violence. or a violent threat. You know what I mean!!

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(Ignorance) Is that another word for (thick), (naive), (stupidity). Isn't Jade Goody known for behaving and being that way? I think she is known for being that way.

That is actually her appeal

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
You say, Ruth, that Jade wanted to make things right for herself?

Jade Goody has two children. Also, she has worked out, that, many people were offended and danger could & probably would follow. So, I would imagine that, her children's safety would be paramount on her mind!

A decent mother would agree on that! But you can keep on saying it is selfish-Jade time, if you want?

Yes I can. Because Jade wasn't thinking about her kids when she was shouting obscenities and threatening to headbutt someone. And if she was that concerned about their safety, why did she jet off to India? It seems that her PR exercise was more important than spending time with her children.

Jade left the diary room.

Next minute, she talks to Shilpa outside.

WoW Wee, so quick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My point exactly.

I would, more than believe that, maybe there was more to this than meets the eye. Jade may have had this discussion with Shilpa, a bit later. But, that hardly puts Jade Goody in the clear. So, what about the Diary Room.

You would believe anything if it put your precious jade Goody in a good light. But just because you choose to believe something doesn't make it true.

I said that Shilpa did'nt complain, as there was nothing to complain about. This is quite evident.

I've already explaied the difference between not complaining and there being nothing to complain about. You choose not to take any notice. Your perogative.

Anything which may had appeared like that, wasn't.

How do you know? Were you there? Do you know what's going on in Jade's head? Actually, why am I asking? You will just come out with some 'smoke and mirrors' answer.

But anyway, Jade had said nothing which Shilpa had heard, except abuse in an argument and odd dirty looks from the three girls, which was mostly about the chicken & the oxo cube incident.

That argument was awful. Not just a little disagreement, but full on abuse. Hardly qualifies as 'said nothing'. Besides which, are you saying that it's fine to say what you want about people as long as they can't hear it?!

Plus, perhaps they felt patronised by her.

Well, that's their problem.

However, she didn't. It is likely that she doesn't want to be known as a trouble-maker and many would assume that Shilpa was offended by abusive remarks, we only have the newspapers to go by.

Even you yourself are saying that she probably didn't complain because she didn't want to cause trouble - not because there was nothing to complain about.

If Jade's bullyish nature is so bad to you today, then, why has she been so successful.

Answered in a previous post. Not repeating myself.

I would say it is the racial angle which makes you and others brings Jade's past behavior to light.

Right. Thanks for telling me what makes me bring think something. You don't know how or why anyone on here thinks what they do.

That is the part, before you assume that she is a racist.

Funny that?

I don't understand what you have written

What's the point Ruth?

What's your point?

What I did say about the Part-time-racist's, is, that anyone who does get assaulted or really slaggged off, could say a racial comment in a moment of madness.

Hence, the (Part-Time) angle.

Anybody who would say such a thing is a racist. Got that?

Jade, Danielle & Jo are not racist people. If they are Part-Time, then, only they know this and would not say.

If only they know it, then how can you make such assumptions about them?

Oh Yeah! Just to re-clarify things, The C.P.S have dropped the charge and all comments were only offensive words and phrases.

I have already explained this to you in a previous post. Clearly, you choose not to pay attention to what doesn't suit your version of events. That's fine.

Your comparison to vegatables is rather separate to the subject of Part-Time-Racists.

I was drawing a comparison. But because it doesn't suit you, you choose to disregard it. Fine.

Editing can easily make people believe that offensive remarks could be made to look worse.

The words that were used, did make many people think that they may have racial-over-tones?

Those words came out of Jade's mouth. fact or fiction?

Shilpa could have started this off by patronising them or saying a nasty comment, which we never saw.

She could have - but we have absolutely no reason to suggest that this is so. So stop making things up to suit you.

It is like the saying goes, "Big things, start from little things"

Jade gets angry, very easily.

Yes, I think we all saw that. It's not something to defend.

So the girls have to be racist, because you think this, as they lost their temper. what Rubbish!!!

But everything they said was not in anger was it? Some of it was said while they were perfectly happy.

Your racism comment, whereby you say that white people can't experience racism.

Sorry for caps, but I DID NOT SAY THAT. I SAID THAT ANYONE OF ANY COLOUR CAN EXPERIENCE RACISM. IF YOU MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I CLEARLY WROTE, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM.

Jade, Danielle & Jo didn't click with Shilpa.

Comments may have sounded like they had racial-over-tones.

But we still can't stick the word, (racist) to any of the girls.

Well you can't but many people can.

My long response just proves that I am stating the facts, much more clearly than most.

[Sunny_01]

Long reponses mean you are stating facts more clearly than others!! I dont think so. What it generally means is that someone is not able to be succinct in their reponses.

Everything that you post is opinion! or your interpretation of what has been said by the media. We all interpret things in a different way which is where deabte comes from!

I think (see I said think) that Jade has used her stupidity for long enough as an excuse. I dont accept the "it's just the way she is" argument, it has worn way too thin now. That is no excuse for terrible behaviour.