[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

What John said was by definition homophobic and he even defended his statement in a fairly articulate way so he’s not stupid. Why are people even defending this?

It could be said that Andrew is ‘drunk’ with the world he us currently living in. It could also be said that he has been ‘manipulated’ by the more worldly-wise Shane/Courtney. In that situation Andrew could do something he bitterly regrets and causes him a lot of heartache. That may or may not be the case - but what if it is. All some care about is entertainment. Others that may like Andrew and care about his welfare may just be trying to look out for him. Nothing wrong with that.

What John said was not homophobic just your narrow-minded interpretation. I would say such opinions are hetrophobic with some kind of agenda into forcing people into the same way of thinking. Not being gay is not a crime although I am increasingly getting the impression some would like it to be.

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It could be said that Andrew is ‘drunk’ with the world he us currently living in. It could also be said that he has been ‘manipulated’ by the more worldly-wise Shane/Courtney. In that situation Andrew could do something he bitterly regrets and causes him a lot of heartache. That may or may not be the case - but what if it is. All some care about is entertainment. Others that may like Andrew and care about his welfare may just be trying to look out for him. Nothing wrong with that.

What John said was not homophobic just your narrow-minded interpretation. I would say such opinions are hetrophobic with some kind of agenda into forcing people into the same way of thinking. Not being gay is not a crime although I am increasingly getting the impression some would like it to be.

Lol what’s narrow minded about ‘trying to defend a comment like “you can’t be in our group if you’re gay” is homophobic by definition? This isn’t any sjw sorta pc crap it’s literally what he’s saying, and he knew the implications of bc afterward he tried to excuse it with his age. Ik these ism and phobic words get overused but it is quite literally what he did, regardless of how much you hate Andrew. Considering he’s living with 3 homosexual people what he said is an issue.

If he meant it in a purely satirical way he would’ve just said ‘o I meant no Malice it was just a joke sryyy’ and tho I’d still take quarral with that he meant it with even the slightest amount of seriousness and that’s a problem

[Jamie89]

It's so dissappointing, it's attitudes like his that keep people in the closet and coming from a footballing background where that's such an issue, but also being seemingly open-minded/progressive (I thought) he should know better.

I really don't understand the "people should tolerate his intolerance" line of thinking... is that not a paradox? And how far back does that stretch, ie. could it not also be said that people should tolerate the intolerance of John's intolerance just seems a bit silly to me. If people see what they perceive as intolerance it's perfectly fine for them to call it out/comment on it... doing so isn't an act of intolerance in the slightest.

[odd sock]

[QUOTE=Garfie;9807938]More excuses. Insert the word 'black' where you have 'gay', and then ask yourself whether such views should be excused. Perhaps John should do the same.

Exactly what I thought, imagine if a housemate said to John they were uncomfortable around black people, folks would be madly waving the race card and demanding they be removed from the house and they more than likely would be, faster than their feet could touch the ground but John is homophobic and gets away with it ... double standards

[Paula D]

[QUOTE=odd sock;9808752]

Originally Posted by Garfie

More excuses. Insert the word 'black' where you have 'gay', and then ask yourself whether such views should be excused. Perhaps John should do the same.

Exactly what I thought, imagine if a housemate said to John they were uncomfortable around black people, folks would be madly waving the race card and demanding they be removed from the house and they more than likely would be, faster than their feet could touch the ground but John is homophobic and gets away with it ... double standards

That's a fair point.

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[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Paula D

When did John treat anyone unequally?

'Andrew if you do that, you're not in my club! '