[Marches]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, it really isn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_s...United_Kingdom

Perhaps you should try to understand what hate speech and preaching hatred before you post and 'walk yourself right into it.'

It's an incredible reach and very silly to make out that Shane is doing anything but utilising his own right to freedom of speech, Ann and anyone else is free to do the same. I know you dislike freedom of speech when it doesn't benefit you but please try to understand what preaching hatred and hate speech is before you try to use it in an argument.

He is getting people to hate Ann. Therefore he is preaching hated and as such is a violation of free speech. He probably wouldn’t be convicted as such because he’s essentially loop holed the system but he knows exactly what he’s doing

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Where did I say hate speech?? Changing the wording now? I said preaching hatred. Don't even try pulling out your Wikipedia definitions.

Again, if anyone can answer the question what exactly is Shane J's motive in telling everyone in the house Ann's life history then maybe I'll believe it's not trying to turn them against her. He wants people to hate her. That's preaching hatred.

Hate speech and preaching hate is a similar thing, they both come under hate speech laws.

I love the last line of your first point 'don't even TRY to use facts against me, Sonny Jim!'

It doesn't matter what his motive is any more than it matters what motivates Ann to hate dislike Megan Markle, it's their opinion, you can question it and have an opinion on it but you are trying to make out that if anyone can't see into his mind and explain his actions then your opinion of the situation is fact and that's wrong. You can't say it's a fact that he is preaching hatred any more than someone can say it's a fact that she's a racist.

Well except for the fact that what Shane is doing is not preaching hated. You can try to make out that it is all you like but the facts are against you.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Like the OP of this thread??

But this thread actually has something to talk about. If this thread had simply been 'ann is scum' and nothing else to it, then it would likely be closed as theres no conversation to be had there.

Its a quite difficult balancing act moderating this forum. We don;t want to shut down peoples opinions but at the same time we want proper discussions, not just threads full of one word posts and insults.

Also this thread was made as I closed the other one that was talking about this. When I closed it I did specifically say that if anyone wants to discuss it further then remake a thread about it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marches

He is getting people to hate Ann. Therefore he is preaching hated and as such is a violation of free speech. He probably wouldn’t be convicted as such because he’s essentially loop holed the system but he knows exactly what he’s doing

I don't think bitching about another HM on BB constitutes as Hate Speech, if it did, almost every HM ever would be locked up by now

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Hate speech and preaching hate is a similar thing, they both come under hate speech laws.

I love the last line of your first point 'don't even TRY to use facts against me, Sonny Jim!'

It doesn't matter what his motive is any more than it matters what motivates Ann to hate dislike Megan Markle, it's their opinion, you can question it and have an opinion on it but you are trying to make out that if anyone can't see into his mind and explain his actions then your opinion of the situation is fact and that's wrong. You can't say it's a fact that he is preaching hatred any more than someone can say it's a fact that she's a racist.

Well except for the fact that what Shane is doing is not preaching hated. You can try to make out that it is all you like but the facts are against you.

Oh do carry on, so your opinion is fact now but mine isn't?

Fine, whatever, don't have any time for this crap.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Marches

He is getting people to hate Ann. Therefore he is preaching hated and as such is a violation of free speech. He probably wouldn’t be convicted as such because he’s essentially loop holed the system but he knows exactly what he’s doing

Your views of what constitutes preaching hatred is as wonky as your definition of what freedom of speech is. You can keep twisting things but it doesn't make anything you say factual. Ann's freedom of speech is unimpeded in that house, fact, Shane is not preaching hate by any definition or law in any country in the world, that's not a loophole, that's a fact.

These are your opinions, you are more than entitled to them but the facts of the matter are against you.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Oh do carry on, so your opinion is fact now but mine isn't?

Fine, whatever, don't have any time for this crap.

I've never said my opinion is fact, I've simply stated my opinion and used the facts of hate speech and preaching to qualify what I'm saying. It's called making a solid argument.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Oh do carry on, so your opinion is fact now but mine isn't?

Fine, whatever, don't have any time for this crap.

I've never said my opinion is fact, I've simply stated my opinion and used the facts of hate speech and preaching to qualify what I'm saying. It's called making a solid argument based on facts.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think bitching about another HM on BB constitutes as Hate Speech, if it did, almost every HM ever would be locked up by now

Ofc they wouldn’t be convicted like I said but he’s installing hate on another housemate to both housemates and the public. It probably doesn’t fall under any laws but if the public and housemates are manipulated into disregarding someone’s words off of the basis of one persons opinion that doesn’t seem healthy for free speech now does it

[Vicky.]

Sorry I have to agree that Shane was trying to manipulate the house into shutting Ann down, and she had not even done anything..he did this randomly. He then realized it would not work so stopped that rubbish. Am sure he thought he could get Wayne to attack easily...which was clearly what he was doing,. Might aswell have just came out and said 'go shout at Ann for opinions she has outside of the house that she has not brought up in here but I have suddenly decided its important but will not say anything to her myself'

[AnnieK]

I really don't think it is a serious as preaching hate. Shane seemed to want to get Wayne to confront Ann but that could be the way it was edited. I don't think he would have said much to Amanda that night as he had tried in the past and she was having none of it. In my opinion, I think Shane was trying to let them know about Ann's more controversial views so they didn't think she is just a nice little old lady in his view. Wayne didn't seem to know about her voting history, but as it happens now he does its not changed muchas far as Wayne is concerned. Plus the night before, Wayne was ranting about Ann in the kitchen so I think Shane may have thought Wayne may have been a more captive audience and interested in what he knows about her.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marches

Ofc they wouldn’t be convicted like I said but he’s installing hate on another housemate to both housemates and the public. It probably doesn’t fall under any laws but if the public and housemates are manipulated into disregarding someone’s words off of the basis of one persons opinion that doesn’t seem healthy for free speech now does it

It's not considered "hate Speech" though in the legal sense of the word so of course it falls into free speech, Shane was free to tell Wayne he thinks he should be challenging Anns anti-gay rights views as a gay man and Wayne was free to tell him no he has no issue with her

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Sorry I have to agree that Shane was trying to manipulate the house into shutting Ann down, and she had not even done anything..he did this randomly. He then realized it would not work so stopped that rubbish. Am sure he thought he could get Wayne to attack easily...which was clearly what he was doing,. Might aswell have just came out and said 'go shout at Ann for opinions she has outside of the house that she has not brought up in here but I have suddenly decided its important but will not say anything to her myself'

I do agree with that, all I was disagreeing with was that it's not a hate crime or hate speech in the legal sense of the word

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not considered "hate Speech" though in the legal sense of the word so of course it falls into free speech, Shane was free to tell Wayne he thinks he should be challenging Anns anti-gay rights views as a gay man and Wayne was free to tell him no he has no issue with her

We're not talking about the legal definition Niamh.

I disagree with you, no-one should be encouraging one person to attack another.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not considered "hate Speech" though in the legal sense of the word so of course it falls into free speech, Shane was free to tell Wayne he thinks he should be challenging Anns anti-gay rights views as a gay man and Wayne was free to tell him no he has no issue with her

Maybe I articulated myself poorly but I wasn’t trying to argue it was illegal hate speech. What Shane jenek was doing was wrong and gross manipulation

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I do agree with that, all I was disagreeing with was that it's not a hate crime or hate speech in the legal sense of the word

Oh no, its not hate speech

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, my words were taken a little too literally there. There had been a post made where the member called Malika fans scum. I said that insulting fans was not allowed but insulting housemates was (within reason). Of course its fine to criticize housemates BUT, just random posts of 'X is a bitch' or something add nothing at all to the forum. So insults are fine within reason, but preferable when part of a larger post. if that makes sense.

I don't envy you and others on the staff. Moderating a lively forum is a tough gig. I moderated a forum and a chatroom in my time and it is a bitch of a job.
Stay strong and carry on

[Greg!]

A mess at people attempting to defend this disgusting practice

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Greg!

A mess at people attempting to defend this disgusting practice

Has Ann’s support of conversion therapy even been mentioned in the house? It doesn’t work and causes psychological harm ofc I don’t agree with it I was just personally tired of seeing people defending Shane js bullying then seeing headlines saying he’s getting bullied

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Greg!

A mess at people attempting to defend this disgusting practice

Don't think anyone in here has tried to defend it. I don't know how anyone could

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Greg!

A mess at people attempting to defend this disgusting practice

Who's doing that? Please show us an example?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Who's doing that? Please show us an example?

Read the thread yourself?

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Read the thread yourself?

I have done, no-one defending the use of conversion therapy at all.

[Greg!]

Try again

[Greg!]

Here are 2 examples of people defending or justifying it that Paula D must have missed

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Can people read ? instead of just being happy to believe people who dont like her, this story is not so black and white, she wanted to help gays who didn't WANT to be gay,so maybe go and read up ,people at one time thought it would cure them the gay person WANTED the therepy. loving these new words converstion therapy oh how people are grasping at it,

Originally Posted by Ellen

She believes that people are entitled to get help if they have problems and that should also be afforded to gay people as well, at the time someone who was struggling with been gay or didnt want to be gay was not been given any help. When she worked at Samaritans they did not promote 'it is ok to be gay' to someone who hated or didnt want to be gay. That is why she agreed if gay people were struggling then they should have therapy like everybody else.