[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Interesting, I guess a whole swathe of stereotypes that wouldn't be tolerated in any other group are on the tip of your tongue

Judging by the family's behaviour so far, we can expect the worst from them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

travellers it would seem..

That would have been obvious if you read the link I posted

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That would have been obvious if you read the link I posted

The Express?


I would never compromise my liberal worldview with that right wing nonsense

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The Express?


I would never compromise my liberal worldview with that right wing nonsense

I heard it on the news and it was the first link that came up

[bots]

if someone dies in circumstances where they were involved in criminal activity, its not normal to leave flowers at the scene or try to commemorate the event. I find it pretty tasteless

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

State of the pair of them.

[bots]

that is actually defacing private property

[user104658]

Jumping on them (or burning them) is giving these people exactly the reaction they're looking for to start a mini-war. The anger is understandable but people should simply take it in turns to calmly go out, take the flowers down, and bin them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Jumping on them (or burning them) is giving these people exactly the reaction they're looking for to start a mini-war. The anger is understandable but people should simply take it in turns to calmly go out, take the flowers down, and bin them.

Tbf it was just one man out with a scissors in a knitted cap pulled over his eyes, (could have been LT in a certain light) then more flowers went up, some florist is making a mint

[Crimson Dynamo]

the scumbags leaving the flowers..

Its like I am living in a parallel universe to people like that

how can people so badly educated with no empathy or decency exist?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the scumbags leaving the flowers..

Its like I am living in a parallel universe to people like that

how can people so badly educated with no empathy or decency exist?

Why? Why are they scumbags?

They lost a relative, and people act in very very diffferent ways to bereavment.

Why are the locals so worked up about it, none if them died.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why? Why are they scumbags?

They lost a relative, and people act in very very diffferent ways to bereavment.

Why are the locals so worked up about it, none if them died.

they lost nothing but a feral nomark career cowardly criminal who preyed on pensioners - a man who offered nothing to society, paid no tax, stole most for what he had.

horrible man and horrible family

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they lost nothing but a feral nomark career cowardly criminal who preyed on pensioners - a man who offered nothing to society, paid no tax, stole most for what he had.

horrible man and horrible family

Horrible man admittedly, but he was still someones laddie..

I still dont get how those 2 are scum though.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why? Why are they scumbags?

They lost a relative, and people act in very very diffferent ways to bereavment.

Why are the locals so worked up about it, none if them died.

Because the pensioners can’t return to their home for fear of reprisals, imagine it was your Mum, would you be happy, that man will probably have nightmares after killing that guy, it’s not something he will forget over night

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why? Why are they scumbags?

They lost a relative, and people act in very very diffferent ways to bereavment.

Why are the locals so worked up about it, none if them died.

That poor old man could easily have died of shock/heart attack - neither the scumbag or his scumbag relatives would have given a damn about him or his family. Waste of space the lot of them.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That poor old man could easily have died of shock/heart attack - neither the scumbag or his scumbag relatives would have given a damn about him or his family. Waste of space the lot of them.

That poor old man managed just fine in the situation.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That poor old man managed just fine in the situation.

The point being that the thug didn’t know that did he. HE was deliberately targeting easy targets because he was a coward- he just got more than he bargained for.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why? Why are they scumbags?

They lost a relative, and people act in very very diffferent ways to bereavment.

Why are the locals so worked up about it, none if them died.

The local people are angry because they probably knew the gentleman who lived there and liked him and through absoloutely no fault of his or his wifes doing they are now too scared to return home.

These ignorant twats showing up with flowers are doing it to show they know where the poor old couple live.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

The local people are angry because they probably knew the gentleman who lived there and liked him and through absoloutely no fault of his or his wifes doing they are now too scared to return home.

These ignorant twats showing up with flowers are doing it to show they know where the poor old couple live.

Well if all thats true then they are indeed the scum of the earth...


But is it?

[bots]

The travelers are making a point, and you can make your own mind up over it's legitimacy. I take the view that they are sticking 2 fingers up at the establishment because that's what they always do.

[Amy Jade]

Having dealt with quite a few traveller families in my job (I work in a supermarket on the cigarette kiosk) I can say most I come in contact with do not seem religious, especially when they call me horrible names for asking them for ID or when they threaten to hit me or wait for me after work when I take stickers for 50p they have put on clothing that costs £20 and they try to intimidate me me into allowing the sale even though they have been seeing on camera doing it.

Wasn't one of the big things in the bible that you do not lie, steal or hurt anyone? Well their 'hero' relative was a theif. If they are religious then they should know that he reserved his place in hell years ago.

Glad to see their flowers were ripped down again.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Having dealt with quite a few traveller families in my job (I work in a supermarket on the cigarette kiosk) I can say most I come in contact with do not seem religious, especially when they call me horrible names for asking them for ID or when they threaten to hit me or wait for me after work when I take stickers for 50p they have put on clothing that costs £20 and they try to intimidate me me into allowing the sale even though they have been seeing on camera doing it.

Wasn't one of the big things in the bible that you do not lie, steal or hurt anyone? Well their 'hero' relative was a theif. If they are religious then they should know that he reserved his place in hell years ago.

Glad to see their flowers were ripped down again.

[user104658]

I never have trouble with the traveller types in my place, usually friendly and polite (although tbqfh, some of them I can't understand a word they're saying). But there aren't a HUGE number of them (a couple of families) and also... They know they'll get kicked out in a second and they need their Roulette fix, so perhaps on their best behaviour.

I can see both sides of this really. The guy who was killed was indeed pretty much a "scum bag" if such terms must be used, or at the very least engaging in some very scummy activity and no one can really be all that SURPRISED or angry that he ended up getting himself killed. That's pretty much how it goes if you choose to be a career criminal. You end up in prison or dead. However, he wasn't exactly a serial killer or "monster", just a crappy and immoral person, so I fully understand that his family will be devastated and grieve for him. He may well have been a loving father/son/friend... People are complicated. Suggesting that they shouldn't grieve, or shouldn't want to, is insane.

However... There's no need at all for this display of grief to be put on in the street where he was terrorising an elderly couple and got himself stabbed. You could argue that they didn't realise it was inappropriate... If they had just done it once... But at this point, the display has been taken down multiple times, but they keep putting it back up. They clearly know its causing upset and distress. Maybe it didn't start out as threatening or conflict driven, maybe they really didn't understand that it would cause conflict and are now feeling defiant and persecuted... But at this point it definitely is conflict driven and intended to prove something. If I lived there, I would definitely be concerned about the possibility for it escalating.

[Livia]

No one's suggesting people "shouldn't grieve". They need to find some other way of doing it instead of harassing the victims of a crime.