[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That analogy makes no sense whatsoever given homes are private property

I thought it was a good example because knife crime is commited in public, and household violence is not? So I didnt mind the lack of consistency there.. however, TS’s example is more of a parallel, and makes stop and search sound even more ridiculous than it already comes across! Answer that instead.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To make the analogy work then; would you be OK with middle aged couples being stopped at random by officers saying "We just want to check that you're not beating your wife, we'll need to check her over. I know it's intrusive but a lot of people are abused and we can catch a lot of offenders this way... If you have nothing to hide you won't mind."

Its an extreme example but it is similar logic, surely? I mean... Doing that probably WOULD catch abusers and stop them.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I thought it was a good example because knife crime is commited in public, and household violence is not? So I didnt mind the lack of consistency there.. however, TS’s example is more of a parallel, and makes stop and search sound even more ridiculous than it already comes across! Answer that instead.

The difference being that it wouldn’t be the potential ‘offender’ being searched it would be the potential ‘victim’.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To make the analogy work then; would you be OK with middle aged couples being stopped at random by officers saying "We just want to check that you're not beating your wife, we'll need to check her over. I know it's intrusive but a lot of people are abused and we can catch a lot of offenders this way... If you have nothing to hide you won't mind."

Its an extreme example but it is similar logic, surely? I mean... Doing that probably WOULD catch abusers and stop them.

It’s a ridiculous comparison. Police are employed to police public areas in an attempt to keep the general public safe. If stop and search helps protect all of us it is warranted. They can’t police private homes unless invited in or a crime is in progress.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To make the analogy work then; would you be OK with middle aged couples being stopped at random by officers saying "We just want to check that you're not beating your wife, we'll need to check her over. I know it's intrusive but a lot of people are abused and we can catch a lot of offenders this way... If you have nothing to hide you won't mind."

Its an extreme example but it is similar logic, surely? I mean... Doing that probably WOULD catch abusers and stop them.

That’s just ridiculous as well, but if they wanted to waste time doing that feel free

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That’s just ridiculous as well, but if they wanted to waste time doing that feel free

(Both are ridiculous, that is the point) Why is it any more of a waste of time than stopping and searching for knifes?

[Parmy]

Meh, bet you all happily get yer bags searched entering events.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Meh, bet you all happily get yer bags searched entering events.

Again, like airports, you CHOOSE to allow a search at an airport or at a private venue for an event. It's completely different from having a search FORCED on you in the street.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Again, like airports, you CHOOSE to allow a search at an airport or at a private venue for an event. It's completely different from having a search FORCED on you in the street.

Incorrect, you don't choose, you either do it or you stay at home or you stay out of the venue. Unless you are advocating that people would choose to stay in the UK and never travel again or would choose never to visit another theatre, concert, nightclub, that is not realistic

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Incorrect, you don't choose, you either do it or you stay at home or you stay out of the venue. Unless you are advocating that people would choose to stay in the UK and never travel again or would choose never to visit another theatre, concert, nightclub, that is not realistic

But that in itself is a choice, if you refuse a search from a police officer on the street you could get done for it. There is no choice in Stop and Search but there is a choice in choosing whether or not to go to a certain venue.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But that in itself is a choice, if you refuse a search from a police officer on the street you could get done for it. There is no choice in Stop and Search but there is a choice in choosing whether or not to go to a certain venue.

Not really if you have paid for the ticket, if I go to the airport I expect my bag to go through xray, I don't generally don't expect to be patted down particularly when I have removed everything that could set the scanners off, so clearly they go off at random whether you have anything of note on your or not, is it a big deal? not really

[bots]

they have quite routine campaigns over the Christmas period where drivers are stopped and breathalyzed and I don't remember hearing anyone complaining about it, so maybe something similar for knives wouldn't be objected to

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they have quite routine campaigns over the Christmas period where drivers are stopped and breathalyzed and I don't remember hearing anyone complaining about it, so maybe something similar for knives wouldn't be objected to

The more the merrier if it saves one life its worth it, and as I said pages ago if you're doing wrong you've nothing to fear

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Do you think more stop and search would ease the knife crime in the uK ? It could be a good idea if done properly imo.

Can I stop.and search you sexy

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by michael21

Can I stop.and search you sexy

Oh,as long as your hands are warm Michael

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh,as long as your hands are warm Michael

I don't need to use my hands

[Tom4784]

It's very easy to say you'd agree with it and wouldn't mind being searched in theory but in practice it's always going to be a different story.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's very easy to say you'd agree with it and wouldn't mind being searched in theory but in practice it's always going to be a different story.

It would be exciting, nerve free and friendly for me.

[bots]

i'm sure everyone saying they would be happy with it would have some threshold that made them unhappy too. For example, what happens if a female is required to be searched, but no female officer is available, so the lady has to be detained for some time in order to be searched. What happens, if on a simple trip to the shops, that you got stopped and searched every shop you entered, every 500 meters you walked. To say you would be fine with something without knowing the extent of the intrusion into your life is reckless to say the least.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i'm sure everyone saying they would be happy with it would have some threshold that made them unhappy too. For example, what happens if a female is required to be searched, but no female officer is available, so the lady has to be detained for some time in order to be searched. What happens, if on a simple trip to the shops, that you got stopped and searched every shop you entered, every 500 meters you walked. To say you would be fine with something without knowing the extent of the intrusion into your life is reckless to say the least.

Of course it would have to be reasonable, the example is particularly outrageous unless you are saying there would be police waiting at every 500 metre mark to stop and search.

Also there seems to be a lot of finger pointing on this thread and "you say this now, but what if" kind of comments like people don't know their own minds

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Of course it would have to be reasonable, the example is particularly outrageous unless you are saying there would be police waiting at every 500 metre mark to stop and search.

Also there seems to be a lot of finger pointing on this thread and "you say this now, but what if" kind of comments like people don't know their own minds

I'm simply saying that before people rush to say they would be fine with something, look into the specifics of what they are signing up to. Things are never, ever simple and straightforward.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm simply saying that before people rush to say they would be fine with something, look into the specifics of what they are signing up to. Things are never, ever simple and straightforward.

Equally you could argue the other case, before dismissing it out of hand, lets look at its viability in some shape or form.