[jet]

imo if a private individual wants to give bursaries to a few white kids or a few black kids, it should be accepted. Skin colour shouldn't come into it. It's their money after all.

All this woke and OTT pc crap is going too far (in many other ways too) and its created a backlash - one example is Corbyns Labour attitudes and that of his more devout followers which led to their mega failure in the election and people turning to the Torys.
Many in the far left and indeed some in the left are too strident, accusing and narrow minded. It's their way or the highway. It's horrendously off - putting. The far left have created the opposite of their aims and have only themselves to blame. Again, imo.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

imo if a private individual wants to give bursaries to a few white kids or a few black kids, it should be accepted. Skin colour shouldn't come into it. It's their money after all.

Except skin colour does come into it, when you're specifying which colours are worthy of your cash.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Except skin colour does come into it, when you're specifying which colours are worthy of your cash.

It's the private individuals choice. Choice is still a thing, believe it or not. It doesn't mean Mr. White hates black people or Mr. Black hates white people.

Although nowadays Mr. Woke gets all holier than thou if Mr.White doesn't
do things their way...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

It's the private individuals choice. Choice is still a thing, believe it or not. It doesn't mean Mr. White hates black people or Mr. Black hates white people.

Who said anyone hates anyone?

You simply can't argue a "Everyone's equal. All in the same boat. Why you going on about skin colour for? It's not relevant" when skin colour is literally the quota the bursary is based on. Literally how you are born. Not any unfortunate circumstances you were unfortunately subjected to but literally what colour your skin is.

Originally Posted by jet

Although nowadays Mr. Woke gets all holier than thou if Mr.White doesn't
do things their way...

You mean like your entire attitude in this thread?

(Congratulations on making a post without the words Corbyn, left or Labour though)

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who said anyone hates anyone?

You simply can't argue a "Everyone's equal. All in the same boat. Why you going on about skin colour for? It's not relevant" when skin colour is literally the quota the bursary is based on. Literally how you are born. Not any unfortunate circumstances you were unfortunately subjected to but literally what colour your skin is.



You mean like your entire attitude in this thread?

(Congratulations on making a post without the words Corbyn, left or Labour though)

It is stated:

Sir Bryan says he wants to help white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds because they perform worse at school than their counterparts from other ethnic groups.

That was his understanding and opinion, rightly or wrongly, but the woke got woken up with relish as usual.
A five page thread on nothing much, but other threads that don't fit the bill are sent into oblivion.

[Oliver_W]

Eh, I don't like the use of "woke". It's in the same range as "SJW" or branding everyone as a nazi.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Eh, I don't like the use of "woke". It's in the same range as "SJW" or branding everyone as a nazi.

Well, we agree on that at least.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

It is stated:


That was his understanding and opinion, rightly or wrongly, but the woke got woken up with relish as usual.
A five page thread on nothing much, but other threads that don't fit the bill are sent into oblivion.

You've based this "woke" stuff off the number of pages in the thread? That explains your misuse of the word. Not sure why you have such a big problem with people having an opinion in a debate section of a forum.

Back on topic, it is also stated:

The schools say they do not want to put ethnic restrictions on who can benefit from financial help.

Seems fairly simple to me. No ethnic restrictions.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Just refreshing your memory kizzy

You have nada to say about bursaries solely for ethnic minorties other than it has no bearing on this case....incredible!

I don't know if you've noticed but I haven't been part of the convo for over 3hrs

To refresh your memory, a bursary based on merit is preferred personally, however.. other institutions other than this one may accept the money for specific races or genders.

There are bursaries for minorities, yes they exist we can go into the whys and wherefores if you like. I stand by the fact it has no bearing here, as you can't force a school to accept a donation, they are not beholden to accept monies offered for any reason they choose.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Aren't you white?

Omg karen. ..you can't just ask people if they're white....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You've based this "woke" stuff off the number of pages in the thread?

No, not just on this thread, obviously.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

No, not just on this thread, obviously.

Yeah, obviously.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

(Congratulations on making a post without the words Corbyn, left or Labour though)

Why the dig in tiny font in your postscript? Very childish.
fyi I have no problem with Labour per se, I have always supported a terrific Labour party in N.Ireland. I do have a problem with Corbyn (and I've been proved right there), his fanatical devotees and the disgraceful anti - semitism in the party....and of course the strident, overbearing faction of the hard left.
Labour and those who want the party to be relevant again need to chose a new leader who isn't Corbyn Mark2, otherwise they won't see power again for a very very long time.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

That was his understanding and opinion, rightly or wrongly, but the woke got woken up with relish as usual

Hang on.. are you having a pop at me for pointing out he was wrong?. .

It's not 'woke' to seek out information for yourself, and to challenge misinformation when you find it.
We can't all be expected to parrot media spin or propaganda.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Why the dig in tiny font in your postscript? Very childish.
fyi I have no problem with Labour per se, I have always supported a terrific Labour party in N.Ireland. I do have a problem with Corbyn (and I've been proved right there), his fanatical devotees and the disgraceful anti - semitism in the party....and of course the strident, overbearing faction of the hard left.
Labour and those who want the party to be relevant again need to chose a new leader who isn't Corbyn Mark2, otherwise they won't see power again for a very very long time.

Labour.... Corbyn...... labour..... Corbyn..... left.... woke..... leftie....... labour...... woke..... me.... me.... me

Get a new record, that one is scratched.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Labour.... Corbyn...... labour..... Corbyn..... left.... woke..... leftie....... labour...... woke..... me.... me.... me

Get a new record, that one is scratched.

It's not scratched. .it's warped.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Omg karen. ..you can't just ask people if they're white....

I've never actually seen that film but I swear virtually every line is a meme.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

It is stated:


That was his understanding and opinion, rightly or wrongly, but the woke got woken up with relish as usual.
A five page thread on nothing much, but other threads that don't fit the bill are sent into oblivion.

yep apparently theres a serial killer running round Ireland, you haven't commented on that. Before you ask... it's not corbyn!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Labour.... Corbyn...... labour..... Corbyn..... left.... woke..... leftie....... labour...... woke..... me.... me.... me

Get a new record, that one is scratched.

No. I'll happily continue as and when I feel like it.
Getting rattled are we?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

yep apparently theres a serial killer running round Ireland, you haven't commented on that. Before you ask... it's not corbyn!

He's pals with killers though...killers of thousands...

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not scratched. .it's warped.

Its not warped to detest a man who attends killers rallies and funerals and hangs around them like a love struck fanboy.
It's totally warped to be in thrall to such a man.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

No. I'll happily continue as and when I feel like it.
Getting rattled are we?

Rattled? I didn't support Corbyn.

The grasp he has over you is, however, disturbing.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Two top English private schools have defended their decision not to accept a benefactor's offer of scholarships for disadvantaged white boys.

Winchester and Dulwich colleges have declined the offer - reported to be worth over £1m - by a former pupil from both, Professor Sir Bryan Thwaites.

The schools say they do not want to put ethnic restrictions on who can benefit from financial help.

Sir Bryan says he is now looking for state schools to accept his offer.

The philanthropist, who is 96 and plans to leave the funds in his will, attended Dulwich until the start of the Second World War, and then went on to Winchester.

His parents could not have afforded the fees for him and his brother without the aid of scholarships.

Sir Bryan says he wants to help white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds because they perform worse at school than their counterparts from other ethnic groups.

Sir Bryan told the Times newspaper that this was why he wanted to make a leading education available to others and believed the institutions were wrong to reject his offer on the basis that it was based on race.

He told the Times: "I have done a lot for both schools over the years and have been closely involved in them.

"All the more, therefore, do I feel that both schools have made a strategic mistake in their interpretation of legislation."

Trevor Phillips, the former chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said the Equality Act of 2010 was not designed to favour people of colour, but to ensure equality.

He told the Times that Sir Bryan's proposal simply showed he "wanted to do the right thing by families who need support".

In August last year, the rapper Stormzy announced he would fund two black British students to go to the University of Cambridge.

The star said there was "a whole bunch of academically brilliant, excellent students" who needed an incentive to aim for top universities.

In his single, Crown, Stormzy addressed some of the negative reaction to his decision to offer the scholarships, rapping that it is not "anti-white, it's pro-black".

Winchester, a boarding school which charges £13,903 per term, and Dulwich, which charges £7,082 a term for day boys and £14,782 for a term of full boarding, are among the most exclusive schools in England.

At Dulwich, there are currently 191 pupils from Year 3 to Year 13 who are in receipt of a means-tested bursary, the school said.

"The college's ambition is for 50% of pupils at Dulwich to be in receipt of fee relief through scholarships and, increasingly, means-tested bursaries. This figure is currently 30%," it said in a statement.

A spokesman for Winchester College said: "The school, in common with many universities, has outreach schemes aimed at carefully selected and under-represented communities. These schemes operate successfully and are regularly reviewed.

"The school will continue to discuss with benefactors the effective delivery of their intentions.

"But the trustees are clear, having consulted widely, that acceptance of a bequest of this nature would neither be in the interests of the school as a charity, nor the specific interests of those it aims to support through its work.

"Notwithstanding legal exceptions to the relevant legislation, the school does not see how discrimination on grounds of a boy's colour could ever be compatible with its values."

Master of Dulwich College, Dr Joe Spence, said: "We are extremely grateful to the many benefactors who support the College's bursary fund. Their generosity means we are able to offer academically able boys a place at Dulwich College.

"I am, however, resistant to awards made with any ethnic or religious criteria. Bursaries are an engine of social mobility, and they should be available to all who pass our entrance examinations, irrespective of their background."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-50947271
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...hmmm, it’s a bit of a trick one...I read the statement from Cambridge, addressing Stormzy’s scholarships...and the thing with that is it’s specifically inspiring black talent, which Cambridge want and need to contribute to diversity...last year was the largest intake of black students at Cambridge...but it was still only a very small percentage...I think each for Oxford and Cambridge, it’s around 80-90% white students...so Stormzy’s intention surely, is to help make a top university more inclusive for two more black students each year...this feels more exclusive because, again...those exclusive colleges will have a small percentage of black students...I’m sure I read that once of Winchester College...So of a mainly white student college, to make an exclusivity of ‘white only’, doesn’t quite sit right...being on a low income though and that eligibility...?...that’s totally fine...on that criteria, there would surely be a very high chance of them being white also...but it’s an odd thing to specify in an exclusive college that is already a high percentage of ‘white’...i doe t surprise me that the bursaries were refused...and it’s sad that they couldn’t have just been specified as ‘disadvantaged backgrounds’...obviously it was Sir Bryan’s choice and prerogative, as it was for the colleges to make their decision...but hmmmm, to feel that and say that the benefactors had to be white in two mainly white colleges...the chances are, they would have been white anyway, it wasn’t necessary...and it doesn’t sit right for me, personally...and obviously it doesn’t sit right with the ethos of the colleges either...

[bitontheslide]

I may be completely off the wall on this, but wouldn't it be nice if students were given the opportunity to obtain funding they may not otherwise have based on academic merit and academic merit alone. I understand this may be a controversial stance to some.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I may be completely off the wall on this, but wouldn't it be nice if students were given the opportunity to obtain funding they may not otherwise have based on academic merit and academic merit alone. I understand this may be a controversial stance to some.

I agree, I don't think any academic funding should be ethnicity specific. It should be based on academic performance and household income. But while some forms of funding are, all ethnicities should have some available.