[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

no it cant, you are making it up as you go along. The problem was with the no knock warrant, which has now been withdrawn in that state

Well, yes, technically, I’m the purest sense of the word, you’re right, it wouldn’t be ‘murder’, but the person who refuses to help a clearly dying person could be held responsible for their eventual death, especially if said person is in a position of obligation to save a persons life

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Also the problem was that they shouldn’t have had a warrant anyway, because the person they were looking for was already in custody and didn’t even live at her address.

She was thought to have been involved though, her address was one of the places the drugs were being sent to.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

no it cant, you are making it up as you go along.

Hm, while it's obvious they didn't mean to shoot her (they didn't know she was standing there, they were firing back at her boyfriend) leaving her to bleed out is pretty bad. Even that on its own could (should) be called manslaughter, even if her boyfriend shot her.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

no it cant, you are making it up as you go along. The problem was with the no knock warrant, which has now been withdrawn in that state

Now you are making I things up..warrants don't kill people.
If a trigger happy officer is twitchy when lone females are asleep what are they going to be like when they're awake?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Now you are making I things up..warrants don't kill people.
If a trigger happy officer is twitchy when lone females are asleep what are they going to be like when they're awake?

She was awake, she was standing in the hallway.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

murder has to be intentional, and that wasn't. George Floyd was murder to my mind

yes i also believe George Floyd death was a murder

i mean the man shouted i can't breathe 20 times, the man was apprehended by that cop and he kept his knee on top of him

Breonna, well i am gonna be controversial here, umm i think her boyfriend can be blamed for her death, fatally endangering her by being possession of a weapon, being on record with law enforcement

the cop pulled the trigger, but his criminal past is what led the police to that house

[Liam-]

Also the problem was that they shouldn’t have had a warrant anyway, because the person they were looking for was already in custody and didn’t even live at her address.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What happened in Louisville?

Shortly after midnight on March 13, Louisville police officers executing a search warrant used a battering ram to enter the apartment of Ms. Taylor, a 26-year-old emergency room technician.

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home. But a judge had also signed a warrant allowing the police to search Ms. Taylor’s residence because the police said they believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages. Ms. Taylor had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him, according to her family’s lawyer.

Ms. Taylor and her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, had been in bed, but got up when they heard a loud banging at the door. Mr. Walker said he and Ms. Taylor both called out, asking who was at the door. Mr. Walker later told the police he feared it was Ms. Taylor’s ex-boyfriend trying to break in.

After the police broke the door off its hinges, Mr. Walker fired his gun once, striking Sergeant Mattingly in a thigh. The police responded by firing several shots, striking Ms. Taylor five times. One of the three officers on the scene, Detective Brett Hankison, who has since been fired, shot 10 rounds into the apartment.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/breo...or-police.html

[Tom4784]

The police invaded someone's house without announcing themselves and they shot an innocent woman dead when her boyfriend rightfully defended his property against people he assumed were intruding and meant them harm, which they obviously did given that they sprayed bullets into the home.

Murderers.

Trying to justify murder by painting the black victims as bringing it on themselves is not a good look.

[Kizzy]

They had no right or reason to be there... she was with a new partner nothing to do with the guy they wanted.

These were 2 innocent people doing what southerners do defending their property with a firearm.
It's in the constitution remember.

It isn't the right for white people to bear arms... is it?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They had no right or reason to be there... she was with a new partner nothing to do with the guy they wanted.

These were 2 innocent people doing what southerners do defending their property with a firearm.
It's in the constitution remember.

It isn't the right for white people to bear arms... is it?

yes correct, NRA does not look at colour, race with this law

you have the right to defend your property with firearm

these cops should've made it more clear they are police rather than just invading people's property (as in statement it seems they didn't know they were cops, so probably no sirens were heard)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Louisville police officers executing a search warrant

given by a judge

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Louisville police officers executing a search warrant

given by a judge

A search warrant doesn't give them authority to murder the woman. But you know that.

[Tom4784]

A search warrant, not a 'murder an innocent woman' warrant.

[Oliver_W]

They didn't know she was standing there, she wasn't the target, so how is it murder?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They didn't know she was standing there, she wasn't the target, so how is it murder?

Oh... was HER fault, she got in the way if the bullets spraying round her home like the OK corralle?

Heard it all now.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh... was HER fault, she got in the way if the bullets spraying round her home like the OK corralle?

Heard it all now.

That's your takeaway from what I said?



lol kay. Obviously it's not her fault. It's the cop's fault for firing blinding and hitting her instead of the bloke shooting at them. Doesn't make it murder.

[Kizzy]

They executed more than the search warrant. ..that's the problem.

They didn't even kill the guy with the gun! It was an unarmed innocent civilian in her own home.

How twisted do you have to be to see the justification in this?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They executed more than the search warrant. ..that's the problem.

They didn't even kill the guy with the gun! It was an unarmed innocent civilian in her own home.

How twisted do you have to be to see the justification in this?

I don't think anyone is trying to justify it, but manslaughter and murder are different things. And, needless to say, both wrong.

[Marsh.]

I'd say it is murder when they're blindly spraying a home with bullets they KNOW the occupant is inside of.

You can't fire your gun inside a dark room that you know someone else is with you inside of and then claim you didn't mean to hit them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They were returning fire. The aim is to take out who is shooting at you.

[Tom4784]

If you fire blindly into someone's home, you're shooting not to wound or disarm, but you're shooting to kill at anyone who is in that home. The police did not identify themselves, they acted like intruders and the boyfriend acted in a way that the Right Wing would have championed if he was white, he defended his home against unknown intruders who obviously raided the home with deadly intent.

This would have been classed as murder if it wasn't the police that intruded on their property, the police acted like thieves in the night and they murdered someone while they're at it. Them being the police does not change that fact.

[bots]

a no knock warrant meant that they didnt need to identify themselves, and if someone shoots at you from a darkened room, they are entitled to shoot back ... it's not even close to being murder....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

a no knock warrant meant that they didnt need to identify themselves, and if someone shoots at you from a darkened room, they are entitled to shoot back ... it's not even close to being murder....

EXACTLY

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

a no knock warrant meant that they didnt need to identify themselves, and if someone shoots at you from a darkened room, they are entitled to shoot back ... it's not even close to being murder....

They actually usually do identify themselves. A no-knock warrant is about giving no prior warning to entering the property, not just breaking in and shooting the occupant dead.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They actually usually do identify themselves. A no-knock warrant is about giving no prior warning to entering the property, not just breaking in and shooting the occupant dead.

So should the cops have just rolled over and taken the bullets fired at them?