[arista]

[arista]

Ex Leader backs the Scum word

[arista]

[Alf]

Well as long as they have this nonsense to talk about then they don't have to talk about what's happening in Australia.

Let's just say both parties are scum, and let's move on. This really isn't important, she's entitled to an opinion.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well as long as they have this nonsense to talk about then they don't have to talk about what's happening in Australia.

Let's just say both parties are scum, and let's move on. This really isn't important, she's entitled to an opinion.

No Alf
no one should call an MP
"Scum"



Thats gone around our World

[Crimson Dynamo]

So she had been on the sauce it seems...

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So she had been on the sauce it seems...

Yes Emily on Politics Live Ending
BBC2HD
saying the Drinks did not help.



Scum
easy to Shout out after some booze

[Alf]

I say both parties are scum, what they gonna do about it, put my opinion on the news?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

I say both parties are scum, what they gonna do about it, put my opinion on the news?

Of course Alf
you can call them that,



But Not a Deputy Leader
using "Scum"
that stinks

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

Of course Alf
you can call them that,



But Not a Deputy Leader
using "Scum"
that stinks

But that deputy leader has equal freedoms to me, so why is it OK for me but not her.

I can’t even believe I'm having to defend Raynor here.

Even if it's not becoming of a deputy leader to say that. It's not the big story the media are making of it.

[arista]

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

Youtube video

[arista]

[arista]

[Livia]

At least this time Labour haven't had to arrange security for members of their party who have been threatened with violence and death. No need for security this time because the woman being threatened has stayed away for her own safety.

They are a ****ing shambles.

[arista]

[Tom4784]

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[joeysteele]

Well yes, he did believe that at the time
We have had a pandemic and other things going on since then.

It's foolish to say a figure until the general election is near.
No one has any idea really, the position we'll be in, in 2 to near 3 years time.
What will inflation be like.
Plus what else may throw itself up as a crisis or issue needing addressing.

He didn't want a £15 min wage debated and voted on at this time.

He's calling for a £ 10 one now.
Which makes sense as to where things are now.

If he was advocating only a £10 min wage in say near 3 years time, then with this government's increases to it, he's barely adding pence to it.

This is the minimum he would set it at now surely if he was in government.
It will be meaningless as a figure of £10 by the time of the next election however.

The desire to aim for a £15 min wage is fine.
Putting it in place from now not so wise with all the uncertainty.

However I think it should be higher than £10 but there's many workers who warrant so much more wage rates anyhow, especially any who have been hardworking and demonstrated endless efforts during this pandemic.

I don't see a contradiction from Starmer here re McDonalds.
However he should be still saying that £15 min wage rate is his aim.

Why on earth do political leaders, Johnson is the same, as was the hopeless Jo Swinson, get themselves into crazy confusing messaging, as to their real aims and beliefs too.
Such as Starmer has here.
Starmer is not the person I wanted as leader, I haven't changed my mind.
I hoped to see him show some passion and really take on this disaster of a government this week.

I'm almost left thinking Starmer doesn't really want to even try to win the next election, let alone actually do so.

We really do have a set of the worst possible leaders of Parties in the UK at present.
Except for Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland and Mark Drakeford in Wales.

I have to say, in Manchester for me, is the man I believe was always and remains so, the best candidate for leader of Labour, namely Andy Burnham.

How MPs and members seem to have lost the ability to elect as leaders, their best talents, is beyond me honestly.

[bots]

nobody can make financial commitments for 6 months time at the moment let alone 2 or 3 years in the future

The tories messaging is awful, labours messaging is awful and that is actually the problem. Everyone knows that labour will increase workers rights/benefits ... it's what they do so they shouldn't even be talking about it. If Stammer was to commit to a huge minimum wage, in a covid hit economy, it would likely mean a huge tax rise which would lose them the next election. So why would he commit to it now. You commit to things when you have won the election, that is the biggest lesson labour need to learn

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

nobody can make financial commitments for 6 months time at the moment let alone 2 or 3 years in the future

The tories messaging is awful, labours messaging is awful and that is actually the problem. Everyone knows that labour will increase workers rights/benefits ... it's what they do so they shouldn't even be talking about it. If Stammer was to commit to a huge minimum wage, in a covid hit economy, it would likely mean a huge tax rise which would lose them the next election. So why would he commit to it now. You commit to things when you have won the election, that is the biggest lesson labour need to learn

I agree with all that.

[Oliver_W]

Well yeah, the current minimum wage may be pathetic, but to try to rocket it all the way to £15 right now just isn't realistic. Make it clear that's what he's building toward, sure, but acting like a £15 minimum wage at this point is or should be a priority? Not happening.

[arista]

The Bakers Union has Disaffiliated
with the Labour Party.

Live on BBCnewsHD
in Brighton



Fighting over the £15 an hour
that Starmer no longer wants

[Oliver_W]

Also coming out of a pandemic with a commitment to massive payrise for burger-flippers when frontline care workers get paid the bare minimum isn't a good look.

Fast food isn't a necessity, and bloated companies like McDonalds just contribute to the destruction of the environment, and the homogenisation of high streets threatening smaller businesses. So on that hand I'd be happy for them to have to spend more of their income on staff wages.

But on the other, their workers aren't who we should be fighting for right now*. If anyone's gonna be given higher wages, it should be our health workers.