[Alf]

She'll probably earn loads of money if she does get sent down, she'll be doing TV and newspaper interviews about it for the next six months.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...after-23942466

this is what eventually happens

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...after-23942466

this is what eventually happens

How tragic...lives taken so young...many lives totally ruined.

But lets all empathise with the driver who clearly has mental health issues and needs help not a prison sentence. Its only been six times over 20 years...give the guy a break.

[AnnieK]

I don't think prison is always the answer for addicts - as people have said they will not get rehabilitation in their, they will have their addictions fed - usually by stronger drugs and hooch.

Mandatory, secure rehab is the answer in my opinion. Somewhere where they can't leave but have access to the relevant support, counseling and controlled meds. A 3 month stint isn't going to be enough for a lifelong addict.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't think prison is always the answer for addicts - as people have said they will not get rehabilitation in their, they will have their addictions fed - usually by stronger drugs and hooch.

Mandatory, secure rehab is the answer in my opinion. Somewhere where they can't leave but have access to the relevant support, counseling and controlled meds. A 3-month stint isn't going to be enough for a lifelong addict.

It is the answer for one who continues to drive around in a 2-ton car recklessly endangering the innocent lives of others

forget her "addiction" as there are millions of addicts who would never dream of driving with no insurance and whilst already banned

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is the answer for one who continues to drive around in a 2-ton car recklessly endangering the innocent lives of others

forget her "addiction" as there are millions of addicts who would never dream of driving with no insurance and whilst already banned

Until the addiction is treated though she will probably continue to re-offend. 6 months inside will do nothing to stop her getting into a 2 ton car again when she gets out to score more drugs / booze if she is still addicted.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Until the addiction is treated though she will probably continue to re-offend. 6 months inside will do nothing to stop her getting into a 2 ton car again when she gets out to score more drugs / booze if she is still addicted.

You dont really know what effect prison has on you...believe me there are many that go there and vow never to go there again. To have your freedom taken away from you...being told what to do...watching your loved ones have to endure visiting procedures...the shame...the embarrassment. It can teach some people a very valuable lesson..it can be a massive deterrent. Shes had loads of therapy and its clearly not working. If she kills someone it will not only ruin innocent lives but it could also be the end of hers.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You dont really know what effect prison has on you...believe me there are many that go there and vow never to go there again. To have your freedom taken away from you...being told what to do...watching your loved ones have to endure visiting procedures...the shame...the embarrassment. It can teach some people a very valuable lesson..it can be a massive deterrent. Shes had loads of therapy and its clearly not working. If she kills someone it will not only ruin innocent lives but it could also be the end of hers.

And there are many many people who re-offend

I have a lot of knowledge and experience of the prison system and the number of re-offenders is huge.

I agree for some people it is a deterrent but for many, it becomes a way of life sadly.

Katie is celeb who has highlighted this but I don't feel addicts get the help they need in prison in general and there needs to be a reform - maybe the answer is to offer better rehabilitation services in prisons to actually treat the issues rather than locking them away for the urge to return as soon as they get out.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't think prison is always the answer for addicts - as people have said they will not get rehabilitation in their, they will have their addictions fed - usually by stronger drugs and hooch.

Mandatory, secure rehab is the answer in my opinion. Somewhere where they can't leave but have access to the relevant support, counseling and controlled meds. A 3 month stint isn't going to be enough for a lifelong addict.

Only if they have to pay for the wages of the support workers, the counseling, the rent of the facilities and the medication, out of their own pockets, If not, then they should go to prison like the rest of us would have to. Or would they just get all that for nothing at the tax payers expense?

Sounds more like a weekend break at a luxury spa instead of paying for your crimes.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Alf

Only if they have to pay for the wages of the support workers, the counseling, the rent of the facilities and the medication, out of their own pockets, If not, then they should go to prison like the rest of us would have to. Or would they just get all that for nothing at the tax payers expense?

Sounds more like a weekend break at a luxury spa instead of paying for your crimes.

We tax payers pay for them to languish in prison, come out, re-offend and then go back to prison where we tax payers pay again where they get access to career criminals, drugs, hooch, education etc etc.

I'm not talking about rehab just for Katie Price, I think it would be more beneficial for addicts who have not caused injury, death or property destruction to anyone but themselves. Obviously, there is very little option if they have caused damage to property or other people, then prison is the only right way to go for the victims sake.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't think prison is always the answer for addicts - as people have said they will not get rehabilitation in their, they will have their addictions fed - usually by stronger drugs and hooch.

Mandatory, secure rehab is the answer in my opinion. Somewhere where they can't leave but have access to the relevant support, counseling and controlled meds. A 3 month stint isn't going to be enough for a lifelong addict.

I agree with all that Annie.
You are right about prisons too.

People go to prison who haven't touched drugs but then get introduced to by having them given in there.
It's a way of a coping mechanism of being in prison.

Yes however, I totally agree with your second paragraph.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

People go to prison who haven't touched drugs but then get introduced to by having them given in there.
It's a way of a coping mechanism of being in prison.

But we are not talking about these people...we are talking about a celebrity that has addictions and keeps breaking the law. Shes not stealing from a sweet shop, shes driving whilst banned and high on drink and drugs and could have killed someone....and its far from the first time. Being pampered by experts at The Priory clearly isnt working... Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind when being kind doesnt work...let her endure the shame of prison and see if that works. Let her have a taste of what could be a very long sentance if she continues to break the law and maybe kill someone.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't think prison is always the answer for addicts - as people have said they will not get rehabilitation in their, they will have their addictions fed - usually by stronger drugs and hooch.

Mandatory, secure rehab is the answer in my opinion. Somewhere where they can't leave but have access to the relevant support, counseling and controlled meds. A 3 month stint isn't going to be enough for a lifelong addict.

I agree!! I think prison will damage her mental health more. She shouldn’t have done want she did but addictions can get out of hand. People are so quick to judge and act on their high horse.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I agree!! I think prison will damage her mental health more. She shouldn’t have done want she did but addictions can get out of hand. People are so quick to judge and act on their high horse.

they are protecting children walking in the street

jesus

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I agree!! I think prison will damage her mental health more. She shouldn’t have done want she did but addictions can get out of hand. People are so quick to judge and act on their high horse.

I do think she must be stopped from driving.
She hasn't hurt anyone yet but still she shouldn't be driving, particularly under the influence of anything.

I agree with you Luke, I see no positive to her being in prison.
As you say it could damage her mental health and destabilise her further.

Thankfully and I hope in this case hopefully, Judges generally look at the overall big picture, not just a narrow snapshot to judge.

Taking into account too, any worse negative effects of from a custodial sentence..
She isn't violent, she hasn't hurt anyone although she's done wrong driving when banned and with drink and drugs.

The real issue, is the way to ensure she no longer gets behind the wheel of a vehicle and how best to ensure she really, for as long as it takes, is in full detoxing and clearing of her addiction.

WITHOUT being in prison.
Which really isn't the appropriate place for her to be in my view.
Good to see you post Luke.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I agree!! I think prison will damage her mental health more. She shouldn’t have done want she did but addictions can get out of hand. People are so quick to judge and act on their high horse.

If this was her first or even second offence then maybe it would be ‘quick to judge’….but this is her SIXTH driving offence…I don’t think anyone who thinks she should do 6 months in prison is getting on their high horse and quick to judge.
I’m sure half the people in our prisons have addictions and mental health issues but are not shown the leniency she has been shown.

[Alf]

Would a better plan be to investigate the corruption of people (prison officers) who bring the drugs into those places.

If you don't want drugs in prison then it's pretty easy to stop it, especially with all the technology available.

Sniffer dogs are always keen and looking for work.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

Would a better plan be to investigate the corruption of people (prison officers) who bring the drugs into those places.

If you don't want drugs in prison then it's pretty easy to stop it, especially with all the technology available.

Sniffer dogs are always keen and looking for work.

Except Alf, unofficially.
It makes prison officers life easier, so a blind eye can be the case as to them being ' brought ' in.

Yes however, I agree with you in this day and age it should be really simple to eradicate drugs from prisons.
Should be if it's wanted to really be.

[thesheriff443]

Let’s all get on drink and drugs go out and commit crimes but because we are considered addicts get let off

It’s doesn’t make you a better person for having a so called heart to these people it makes part of the problem.

They are nothing more than criminals under the influence of a substance be that drink or drugs

How many times do we hear this after a tragedy, if only something was done sooner

Being famous should not make a difference when it comes to breaking the law

[thesheriff443]

All those that support her when she clearly has not got any respect for the law, you should go to prison on her behalf because let’s be fair she is as good as family the way some of you are talking.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Katie Price and son Harvey's follow-up BBC documentary 'axed after her drink-drive crash'
as troubled former-celeb remains in The Priory for another most-likely failed rehab stint to avoid jail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...&ci=9s7WvRECRq

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Katie Price and son Harvey's follow-up BBC documentary 'axed after her drink-drive crash'
as troubled former-celeb remains in The Priory for another most-likely failed rehab stint to avoid jail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...&ci=9s7WvRECRq

Good. Apparently she could still be sent to prison when she returns to court in December…..but I doubt she will.

[bots]

a lot of people seem to be fixated with prison time, and people are just not been sent to prison at all if it can be avoided, across the board.

If an ankle bracelet stops her driving, then why not use it. That protects the public, which, really, is the only reason to lock her up. I think some people just want her to be locked up

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

a lot of people seem to be fixated with prison time, and people are just not been sent to prison at all if it can be avoided, across the board.

If an ankle bracelet stops her driving, then why not use it. That protects the public, which, really, is the only reason to lock her up. I think some people just want her to be locked up

yes we do as she has shown ZERO regards for her fellow humans

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

a lot of people seem to be fixated with prison time, and people are just not been sent to prison at all if it can be avoided, across the board.

If an ankle bracelet stops her driving, then why not use it. That protects the public, which, really, is the only reason to lock her up. I think some people just want her to be locked up

I agree with all you say there bots.
The fixation of prison being a solution, is not the wisest.
Prison can make things even worse.
Solving nothing.


I will now mention this point too.
Harvey IS reliant on her, she's his Mother for goodness sake.
Of course he is especially with his disability.
Because when he's with his Mother, she understands fully his needs and disabilities.
Has done from his birth.

He may not always be with her all the time however, he responds to her and does rely on her at his side too.

If in prison, how could Harvey then see this important figure of his life there.
How traumatic and devastating would it be for Harvey to be taken into a prison to visit his Mother.

What reaction could he get going in and once in, how distressing or worse could it be for him.
What long term effect would it have on him.

It may well be the judge decides prison is the only answer.
To me that would be wrong.
To punish her and then punish Harvey too.
No.

Some may be wringing their hands with glee to see that outcome..
For me, I think it wouldn't help at all in any shape or form.

Equally I don't think suspended sentence, without an ensuring of long therapy for addiction is a solution either.