[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

I get why because we have to go off of what we’re shown but we should also be taking into consideration the things that may have happened off-screen too. Everyone is happy to jump straight to “she’s clearly picking things out of nowhere to go at him” all while conveniently ignoring the fact that she could have seen things that make her feel this way that they aren’t showing us.

Exactly !


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[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Maru

We couldn't find him on a map before, but now some of us are now planning our next vacations there so that we can learn what happens at Camp Khaled.

True though. I honestly feel like Ali could have won this for Khaled.

[GlitterUK]

It is early days for Khaled, not his fault Ali started on him. Ali is regretting her actions now and seems to of lost her mojo.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

I get why because we have to go off of what we’re shown but we should also be taking into consideration the things that may have happened off-screen too. Everyone is happy to jump straight to “she’s clearly picking things out of nowhere to go at him” all while conveniently ignoring the fact that she could have seen things that make her feel this way that they aren’t showing us.

Ali took a dislike to him for what he said to Hannah…and her only reason for calling him fake is because he came up to check on those who didn’t get an invite to the party…she found his thoughtfulness fake. Neither Ali or Lily have given a reason behind their accusations…so had anything happened that we had not seen they failed to mention it…

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

It is early days for Khaled, not his fault Ali started on him. Ali is regretting her actions now and seems to of lost her mojo.

Martha is carrying the flag now .. telling Lily that she now thinks Khaled is fake..


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[GlitterUK]

If something had happened Ali would have let everyone know. She didn't witness the full chat between Hanah and Khaled, plus is Hanah has moved on, why hasn't she?
Ali has targeted Khaled but I am not sure why. Not sure why on Late & Live they are trying to stick up for her - Both her hats are bitch and witch!

[GlitterUK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Martha is carrying the flag now .. telling Lily that she now thinks Khaled is fake..


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Yeah after Ali planted the seed. Martha is a follower.

[flashlightening]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Her constant ascribing motives or reasons of her own invention to the guy is beyond irritating.

"attacking him for no reason, it's not fair"... 100% agree. Well done Marcello for standing in a house full of whining 'neutrals'.

She is being an utter asshole and from behind a shield of fake virtue and fake superiority. Her constant lecturing and berating this guy on how she thinks he must act in order to satisfy her expectations is so annoying.

Honestly, Ali has so many deep issues that she needs to work out. Physician, heal thyself.

Well done Khaled for handling her so well, because it isn't easy to deal with someone that has the ability to stay stone cold calm in an argument about personality traits.

totally agree she has a degree and thinks she is an expert and trying to read people.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

Yeah after Ali planted the seed. Martha is a follower.

Plus Martha is salty over her nomination .

It's hilarious Hannah nominated Ali ,and Ali is still dwelling on that situation...when it had nothing to do with Ali . Khaled wants to move on ,but Ali won't rest until she succeeds in her mission to sabotage Khaled / get him evicted. No doubt she'll love it next week,and he'll likely be up for eviction.

She orchestrated her little embarrassing meltdown, and the whole pretending to leave drama . All done as a game plan to gain sympathy and control.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by flashlightening

totally agree she has a degree and thinks she is an expert and trying to read people.

She couldn't read fire escape instructions if they were in front of her , she's incredibly condescending and stuck up. And she's not very understanding for someone in that line of work.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

Yeah after Ali planted the seed. Martha is a follower.

I rather think it’s nothing to do with Ali

You may recall something about Martha , Khaled and a Killer Nomination ??


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[GlitterUK]

Martha was part of the gossip girls before that. She was aware of Ali's thoughts.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

Martha was part of the gossip girls before that. She was aware of Ali's thoughts.

.. .. and which would you imagine would have the greatest effect on Martha ?

A comment from Ali in a group situation or Khaled with the totally unjust Killer Nomination that will possibly end her stay in the BB house ( she will assume she’s going as the others do )


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[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

.. .. and which would you imagine would have the greatest effect on Martha ?

A comment from Ali in a group situation or Khaled with the totally unjust Killer Nomination that will possibly end her stay in the BB house ( she will assume she’s going as the others do )


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Why do you think it was an unjust Killer Nom? He had to make a choice and made the choice based on who he was closest to.

I agree that Martha will be more influenced by that than by Ali but I'm interested to hear why you think it was unjust and what a just killer nom would have been in his position?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Why do you think it was an unjust Killer Nom? He had to make a choice and made the choice based on who he was closest to.

I agree that Martha will be more influenced by that than by Ali but I'm interested to hear why you think it was unjust and what a just killer nom would have been in his position?

I think he choice was spot on especially how he reasoned it all out BUT from her perspective it was completely unjust


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[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Plus Martha is salty over her nomination .

Deffo, and this showed up a darker side to Martha... Weaponised gossip for petty vengeance.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

Yeah after Ali planted the seed. Martha is a follower.

True

[Maru]

A Reddit comment pointed out something I'd missed entirely and it made me look back for the episode. Ali had actually quizzed Hanah & Nathan about who they thought was genuine pretty much after the incident with Khaled. She was checking for their response but didn't ever give hers that we know of because it wasn't shown... So that seed in the form of a question was planted very shortly after their disagreement. The comment reminded me she had asked Lily and Lily of course had said Khaled then, that was the second time it was asked, and that's when Ali jumped out to say she agreed. But when she'd initially asked the question, Nathan had said Sarah & Daze... she didn't answer Yes or No to Sarah but played it off like "Really????!" (sneaky...), but was immediately coming to the defense of Daze. Then it was asked again another time to another group with Lily present and Ali didn't state her choice, but Lily came out and said Khaled.... and then of course, that's when Ali took ownership and said "Yes, I agree". So that's interesting how she had just used Lily twice to say the quiet part out loud. I didn't notice this progression at all, but that appears to make it preemptive.

This adds more evidence to the suggestion she's trying to play a Feminist game. In both cases, it's two black women that are involved that need "protecting". She's tailoring her answers not to show who she doesn't trust, but rather who she is supportive of. Hanah, by virtue of taking a stance against Khaled. Daze, by virtue of disagreeing with Nathan. So that would make her stance against Khaled make more sense if that were true. Then when she confronted Khaled, she had the references she had crafted in the quizzing of others to say "Well, other people agree so..." ...

Anyway, now I never will look at that type of question without taping up one of my eyebrows since as apparently that question is not without a motive. It's a good way to start sh** without actually appearing to be asking something innocuous. I'd not remembered it until now for that reason.

If you want to rewatch the first incident, it was Episode 5 near the end where they are all sitting on the beds after the party on the stage. It's interesting she asks Nathan specifically with Hanah present... was she hoping he'd say it out loud and a moment could be crafted from that?... It wasn't until Izaaz confronted her specifically after a "vibe" had been happening that finally she was like "Yes! My opportunity..."... and she looked very happy to have that opportunity. That was not a difficult decision for her.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I think he choice was spot on especially how he reasoned it all out BUT from her perspective it was completely unjust


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Ah, I see. Sorry, I misunderstood your post and thought you thought it was unjust.

Martha is pissed about the nomination, coupled with a bit of bandwaggon jumping and I think she has decided Khaled is fake.

[GlitterUK]

Originally Posted by Maru

A Reddit comment pointed out something I'd missed entirely and it made me look back for the episode. Ali had actually quizzed Hanah & Nathan about who they thought was genuine pretty much after the incident with Khaled. She was checking for their response but didn't ever give hers that we know of because it wasn't shown... So that seed in the form of a question was planted very shortly after their disagreement. The comment reminded me she had asked Lily and Lily of course had said Khaled then, that was the second time it was asked, and that's when Ali jumped out to say she agreed. But when she'd initially asked the question, Nathan had said Sarah & Daze... she didn't answer Yes or No to Sarah but played it off like "Really????!" (sneaky...), but was immediately coming to the defense of Daze. Then it was asked again another time to another group with Lily present and Ali didn't state her choice, but Lily came out and said Khaled.... and then of course, that's when Ali took ownership and said "Yes, I agree". So that's interesting how she had just used Lily twice to say the quiet part out loud. I didn't notice this progression at all, but that appears to make it preemptive.

This adds more evidence to the suggestion she's trying to play a Feminist game. In both cases, it's two black women that are involved that need "protecting". She's tailoring her answers not to show who she doesn't trust, but rather who she is supportive of. Hanah, by virtue of taking a stance against Khaled. Daze, by virtue of disagreeing with Nathan. So that would make her stance against Khaled make more sense if that were true. Then when she confronted Khaled, she had the references she had crafted in the quizzing of others to say "Well, other people agree so..." ...

Anyway, now I never will look at that type of question without taping up one of my eyebrows since as apparently that question is not without a motive. It's a good way to start sh** without actually appearing to be asking something innocuous. I'd not remembered it until now for that reason.

If you want to rewatch the first incident, it was Episode 5 near the end where they are all sitting on the beds after the party on the stage. It's interesting she asks Nathan specifically with Hanah present... was she hoping he'd say it out loud and a moment could be crafted from that?... It wasn't until Izaaz confronted her specifically after a "vibe" had been happening that finally she was like "Yes! My opportunity..."... and she looked very happy to have that opportunity. That was not a difficult decision for her.

Yeah she kind of tests the water first with people to suss them out before making a move.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Maru

A Reddit comment pointed out something I'd missed entirely and it made me look back for the episode. Ali had actually quizzed Hanah & Nathan about who they thought was genuine pretty much after the incident with Khaled. She was checking for their response but didn't ever give hers that we know of because it wasn't shown... So that seed in the form of a question was planted very shortly after their disagreement. The comment reminded me she had asked Lily and Lily of course had said Khaled then, that was the second time it was asked, and that's when Ali jumped out to say she agreed. But when she'd initially asked the question, Nathan had said Sarah & Daze... she didn't answer Yes or No to Sarah but played it off like "Really????!" (sneaky...), but was immediately coming to the defense of Daze. Then it was asked again another time to another group with Lily present and Ali didn't state her choice, but Lily came out and said Khaled.... and then of course, that's when Ali took ownership and said "Yes, I agree". So that's interesting how she had just used Lily twice to say the quiet part out loud. I didn't notice this progression at all, but that appears to make it preemptive.

This adds more evidence to the suggestion she's trying to play a Feminist game. In both cases, it's two black women that are involved that need "protecting". She's tailoring her answers not to show who she doesn't trust, but rather who she is supportive of. Hanah, by virtue of taking a stance against Khaled. Daze, by virtue of disagreeing with Nathan. So that would make her stance against Khaled make more sense if that were true. Then when she confronted Khaled, she had the references she had crafted in the quizzing of others to say "Well, other people agree so..." ...

Anyway, now I never will look at that type of question without taping up one of my eyebrows since as apparently that question is not without a motive. It's a good way to start sh** without actually appearing to be asking something innocuous. I'd not remembered it until now for that reason.

If you want to rewatch the first incident, it was Episode 5 near the end where they are all sitting on the beds after the party on the stage. It's interesting she asks Nathan specifically with Hanah present... was she hoping he'd say it out loud and a moment could be crafted from that?... It wasn't until Izaaz confronted her specifically after a "vibe" had been happening that finally she was like "Yes! My opportunity..."... and she looked very happy to have that opportunity. That was not a difficult decision for her.

excellent take

[Maru]

Originally Posted by vesavius

excellent take

Blame Reddit