[Oliver_W]

Yeah a coach would have to asplode or fly off the road to kill the passengers tbh, in most cases.

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah a coach would have to asplode or fly off the road to kill the passengers tbh, in most cases.

You’re still more likely to die in a coach than a plane

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

You’re still more likely to die in a coach than a plane

Is that strictly true though ??

You can’t really compare the two things imho

Imagine if there where only two flights per day worldwide .. and one fell out of the sky each day .


There were also 1000 coach trips daily with five crashes. ..


By your reckoning you are safer taking the plane …


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[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Is that strictly true though ??

You can’t really compare the two things imho

Imagine if there where only two flights per day worldwide .. and one fell out of the sky each day .


There were also 1000 coach trips daily with five crashes. ..


By your reckoning you are safer taking the plane …


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Yes it’s true. Not sure why it’s even up for debate.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Yes it’s true. Not sure why it’s even up for debate.

The arguments are a bit wishy washy

Like when they compare flying with train journeys



Comparison:
If you compare deaths per mile traveled, planes are generally safer. However, if you compare deaths per journey, trains are safer.
In short, both flying and train travel are very safe modes of transportation, but flying is statistically safer, particularly when considering the total distance traveled.

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[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Show us the evidence ..


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Again not sure why this is even up for debate but confirms why I don’t often enter SD on TiBB.

A simple google search will show you what you need. Try typing:

Statistics of dying by coach vs plane worldwide

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Again not sure why this is even up for debate but confirms why I don’t often enter SD on TiBB.

A simple google search will show you what you need. Try typing:

Statistics of dying by coach vs plane worldwide

See post #105

Its all very subjective


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[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Zizu

See above post

Its all very subjective


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No it’s not. But carry on…

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

No it’s not. But carry on…

Did you even read # 105 ?


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[Ammi]

…this is reported to be a video that a passenger took 2 hours before the crash and indicating that so much in the cabins isn’t working…including the AC and TV/movie screens…

Youtube video

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Zizu

See post #105

Its all very subjective


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No it's not.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…this is reported to be a video that a passenger took 2 hours before the crash and indicating that so much in the cabins isn’t working…including the AC and TV/movie screens…

Youtube video

Yikes

If something like that happens in the future I may consider getting off ..,


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No it's not.

… and yet

Comparison:
If you compare deaths per mile traveled, planes are generally safer. However, if you compare deaths per journey, trains are safer.
In short, both flying and train travel are very safe modes of transportation, but flying is statistically safer, particularly when considering the total distance traveled.


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[Nicky91]

this particular aircraft had 4 emergency landings before, as well as the previous flight before this one from Delhi to Ahmedabad, a passenger had seen the flaps in the retracted position, however the flight back then was pretty much normal and the pilots of that flight didn't notice anything unusual, so they also didn't report in the log about this



even worse, Air India doesn't want problems to be noted in the logbook, because that would be bad for business


very chilling honestly

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

this particular aircraft had 4 emergency landings before, as well as the previous flight before this one from Delhi to Ahmedabad, a passenger had seen the flaps in the retracted position, however the flight back then was pretty much normal and the pilots of that flight didn't notice anything unusual, so they also didn't report in the log about this



even worse, Air India doesn't want problems to be noted in the logbook, because that would be bad for business


very chilling honestly

I don't think there are any surprises here, I think we can assume this was a very preventable accident if they did the proper maintenance checks

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yikes

If something like that happens in the future I may consider getting off ..,


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Bit difficult mid flight…

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think there are any surprises here, I think we can assume this was a very preventable accident if they did the proper maintenance checks

cutting corners regarding maintenance has ended up fatally way too many times honestly




however my theory, the captain said ''no thrust, no power'' what if the pitot tube on the captain's side of the plane was blocked, and gave out faulty warnings, they accidentally pushed engine power to maximum and that might've damaged the engine, hence the loud bang what the survivor said he heard

also idk what protocols at Air India are like when it comes to emergency situations, who of the pilots has the final say


the first officer was highly trained in emergency situations, however due to his inexperience, it could be that he would not go against his more experienced captain (whom was also a instructor, and a very respected captain at the airline too)


so either blocked pitot tube (birgenair all over again) or fatigue, exhaustion

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

A lot in that plane was not working. They clearly didn't do proper maintenance or it wouldn't be such a mess.
Cutting corners.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Bit difficult mid flight…

Thought it said they noticed loads of faults BEFORE takeoff ??


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[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

A lot in that plane was not working. They clearly didn't do proper maintenance or it wouldn't be such a mess.
Cutting corners.

Yes Tragic
Cutting Corners.

[Ammi]

…one of the passenger stories emerging…


Girls orphaned when father died in Air India crash after scattering wife’s ashes


Two children were orphaned when their father was killed in the Air India plane crash after travelling to scatter his wife’s ashes in her homeland, according to a fundraiser for the family.

Arjun Patoliya, 37, was killed 18 days after his wife Bharti had died from cancer, the GoFundMe page to support their daughters, aged four and eight, said.

The Briton had travelled to Gujarat to fulfil his wife’s “final wish”.

By Saturday afternoon more than £370,000 had been raised to help the girls.

The fundraiser, organised by Mr Patoliya’s colleague, said: “Their mother, Bharti Patoliya, passed away after a courageous battle with cancer.

“Fulfilling her final wish, her husband Arjun Patoliya travelled to India to scatter her ashes in her homeland in Gujarat.”

It added: “Arjun left to bid farewell to his wife, never returned to the children they both raised.

“Now, these two beautiful young girls have been left without parents — their world turned upside down in just over two weeks.”

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…one of the passenger stories emerging…


Girls orphaned when father died in Air India crash after scattering wife’s ashes


Two children were orphaned when their father was killed in the Air India plane crash after travelling to scatter his wife’s ashes in her homeland, according to a fundraiser for the family.

Arjun Patoliya, 37, was killed 18 days after his wife Bharti had died from cancer, the GoFundMe page to support their daughters, aged four and eight, said.

The Briton had travelled to Gujarat to fulfil his wife’s “final wish”.

By Saturday afternoon more than £370,000 had been raised to help the girls.

The fundraiser, organised by Mr Patoliya’s colleague, said: “Their mother, Bharti Patoliya, passed away after a courageous battle with cancer.

“Fulfilling her final wish, her husband Arjun Patoliya travelled to India to scatter her ashes in her homeland in Gujarat.”

It added: “Arjun left to bid farewell to his wife, never returned to the children they both raised.

“Now, these two beautiful young girls have been left without parents — their world turned upside down in just over two weeks.”

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…one of the passenger stories emerging…


Girls orphaned when father died in Air India crash after scattering wife’s ashes


Two children were orphaned when their father was killed in the Air India plane crash after travelling to scatter his wife’s ashes in her homeland, according to a fundraiser for the family.

Arjun Patoliya, 37, was killed 18 days after his wife Bharti had died from cancer, the GoFundMe page to support their daughters, aged four and eight, said.

The Briton had travelled to Gujarat to fulfil his wife’s “final wish”.

By Saturday afternoon more than £370,000 had been raised to help the girls.

The fundraiser, organised by Mr Patoliya’s colleague, said: “Their mother, Bharti Patoliya, passed away after a courageous battle with cancer.

“Fulfilling her final wish, her husband Arjun Patoliya travelled to India to scatter her ashes in her homeland in Gujarat.”

It added: “Arjun left to bid farewell to his wife, never returned to the children they both raised.

“Now, these two beautiful young girls have been left without parents — their world turned upside down in just over two weeks.”

Terrible.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…one of the passenger stories emerging…


Girls orphaned when father died in Air India crash after scattering wife’s ashes


Two children were orphaned when their father was killed in the Air India plane crash after travelling to scatter his wife’s ashes in her homeland, according to a fundraiser for the family.

Arjun Patoliya, 37, was killed 18 days after his wife Bharti had died from cancer, the GoFundMe page to support their daughters, aged four and eight, said.

The Briton had travelled to Gujarat to fulfil his wife’s “final wish”.

By Saturday afternoon more than £370,000 had been raised to help the girls.

The fundraiser, organised by Mr Patoliya’s colleague, said: “Their mother, Bharti Patoliya, passed away after a courageous battle with cancer.

“Fulfilling her final wish, her husband Arjun Patoliya travelled to India to scatter her ashes in her homeland in Gujarat.”

It added: “Arjun left to bid farewell to his wife, never returned to the children they both raised.

“Now, these two beautiful young girls have been left without parents — their world turned upside down in just over two weeks.”

tragic

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Thought it said they noticed loads of faults BEFORE takeoff ??


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No passengers on the previous domestic flight which landed just two hours before they took off for Gatwick said there was no air con and no tv and one of the passengers recorded a video to send to Air India