[ange7]

Tom :"reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right"

this isn't "reasoning". You know that right. There's no logical point made here.

[NettoSuperstar!]

"Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing."

Wow I missed that line

How do you explain Alan Carr?

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

No I didnt think you were at all lol. I do think your clinging onto an opinion against a lifestyle with no reason other than other people have said it. An outdated ideology from a different time and place says it, thats no reason to still hold that view.

I do agree ... but dropping a view is easier said than done tbh.

Originally posted by ange7
Tom ... the problem is your being wishy washy and vague. It's all blurry and "shades of gray". You say you have nothing against gays but you think what they do is wrong and your against their lifestyle?. Is that what you think?... these arguments are mutually exclusive. Please just pick ONE... not both.

I'm not against gays in the slightest. I don't agree with being gay. Huge difference. Think about it. Other people seem to be able to grasp that concept.

Originally posted by ange7
Tom :"reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right"

this isn't "reasoning". You know that right. There's no logical point made here.

Obviously you aren't religious in the slightest and don't come from a religious background. But thats a whole other debate.

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
"Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing."

Wow I missed that line

How do you explain Alan Carr?

I never came up with that I'm just saying its a theory, just as you are born with it is also a theory.

[NettoSuperstar!]

"I'm not against gays in the slightest. I don't agree with being gay. Huge difference. Think about it. Other people seem to be able to grasp that concept."

What is it you dont agree with exactly?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom

I never came up with that I'm just saying its a theory, just as you are born with it is also a theory.

Learning and upbringing isnt really the argument, there is arguments that something that might happen to you when you are young (Out of your control) could influence your sexual orientation in later life, but I find the biological argument to be stronger.

[Tom]

Oh its just going around in circles and its just the same points to different people. Its just pointless now so just agree to disagree on this one.

Anyway about gay adoption ........

[ange7]

"I'm not against gays in the slightest. I don't agree with being gay. Huge difference. Think about it. Other people seem to be able to grasp that concept."


Wow that was a vey cheap shot. ... very unchristian of you....your pretty rude. I'm saying you CAN'T hold those 2 views at the same time.... the idea that your NOT against gays while at the same time saying your don't agree with their lifestyle. They are mutually exclusive ideas.... understand? ... yes there is a "Huge difference" ... that's the point... it's an insurmountable difference.,


ps I am religious I'm Greek Orthodox ... please don't act as though you have the upper hand in an argument because your somehow " closer to god". Can't belive you just played the jesus card. That's really tacky. These debates are about logic. You explanation ""reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right" doesn't tell me your religious... tells me your narrow minded you are.

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
"I'm not against gays in the slightest. I don't agree with being gay. Huge difference. Think about it. Other people seem to be able to grasp that concept."


Wow that was a vey cheap shot. ... very unchristian of you....your pretty rude. I'm saying you CAN'T hold those 2 views at the same time.... the idea that your NOT against gays while at the same time saying your don't agree with their lifestyle. They are mutually exclusive ideas.... understand? ... yes there is a "Huge difference" ... that's the point... it's an insurmountable difference.,

There is a difference. Go and have a long hard think. Its perfectly possible to not agree with something but at the same time not care less.

ps I am religious I'm Greek Orthodox ... please don't act as though you have the upper hand in an argument because your somehow " closer to god". Can't belive you just played the jesus card. That's really tacky.

I never said that and now you are just putting words into my mouth.

You explanation ""reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right" doesn't tell me your religious... tells me your narrow minded you are.

So what if thats my explanation? Am I not allowed to hold views that don't agree with the masses? And why should I have to explain myself anyway? Also that explanation doesn't lead to me being "closer to god" Call me narrow minded whatever, that can easily be turned back around because it takes a narrow minded person to not be able to accept the views of others. Think about it

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
Oh its just going around in circles and its just the same points to different people. Its just pointless now so just agree to disagree on this one.

Anyway about gay adoption ........

no we won't agree to disagree .... that assumes you actually brought an argument to this debate that went deeper than.." well my church tells me how to think so there!!....".

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7

no we won't agree to disagree .... that assumes you actually brought an argument to this debate that went deeper than.." well my church tells me how to think so there!!....".

Again, putting words into my mouth. Where did I say that? I said religious background, not "I'm religious therefore its wrong". Huge difference yet again but you fail to see that.

[ange7]

lol think about it hehe is that what you said ... from the the person that gave us
"Its perfectly possible to not agree with something but at the same time not care less. " . .. WHAT??!!? brain like scrammbled eggs
"why should I have to explain myself anyway"
lol
because your arguing your point of view mate!!!! that's exactly when you need to explain your argument.

"Obviously you aren't religious in the slightest and don't come from a religious background. But thats a whole other debate."

So obvious?? lol your wrong ... so what other "views" do you hold that are just as "obvious" to you.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom

Again, putting words into my mouth. Where did I say that? I said religious background, not "I'm religious therefore its wrong". Huge difference yet again but you fail to see that.

your words .... your mouth
"reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right"

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7

your words .... your mouth
"reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right"

Which doesn't translate as what you claim. How do you know I'm even religious? How do you not know I just have those views because of my upbringing?

To be honest I just can't be bothered arguing with you now- you're twisting everything and its going around in circles.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom

Which doesn't translate as what you claim. How do you know I'm even religious? How do you not know I just have those views because of my upbringing?

To be honest I just can't be bothered arguing with you now- you're twisting everything and its going around in circles.

yes because I'm the bad guy that twist words around .... boo hoo ... go stick your head back in the sand.... and good luck with your stuggle with your sexual identity. I'm presuming this is why you so full on about it this topic all the time.

[30stone]

Think i'd prefer a mother and father...

[Tom]

I'm perfectly comfortable thanks , and before you edited out the "you're boring bit", talk about the pot calling the kettle black

[NettoSuperstar!]

"So what if thats my explanation? Am I not allowed to hold views that don't agree with the masses? And why should I have to explain myself anyway? Also that explanation doesn't lead to me being "closer to god" Call me narrow minded whatever, that can easily be turned back around because it takes a narrow minded person to not be able to accept the views of others. Think about it"

It is narrow minded to hold a view that has no evidence in support of it and not accept over whelming evidence against it

[ange7]

Forget it netto ...logic slides off this guy like water off a ducks back.

[Red Moon]

Can we all calm down a bit, start talking about the topic more and less about each other.

I don't want to have to close the topic, edit posts out or give out warnings.

Remember the rules - don't insult other members.

Red

[NettoSuperstar!]

Jesus also said "Seek the truth and it shall be given to you, keep on seeking and knocking on doors" (or words to that effect)...Not "heres the bible have done with the seeking bit! and just swallow whats written here till the end of time"

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
Forget it netto ...logic slides off this guy like water off a ducks back.

[Red Moon]

Like I said...... start talking about the topic more and less about each other.

I don't want to have to close the topic, edit posts out or give out warnings.

Red

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Think i'd prefer a mother and father...

Yeh but only cos thats what your used to now, you probably wouldnt care if thats what you'd known all your life if they were lovin/good parents. Better than being with an abusive family or in care for a start

[ange7]

you seem to have missed my earlier post ...

ps on topic ... roughly 1 in 10 people are gay ... statistic show that whether they are raised in a gay or a straight household the percentage is still the same. So that suggests that a child is equally likey of being gay when parented by straight parents or gay parent ie has no effect... it's genetic.
Tom your line
"Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing."
is this a lie from you? did you just make this up?