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Billy · 15-10-2008, 08:10 PM

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I repeat what I have said before... if you get pregnant, its your own fault! Take the responsibility! If you are having sex then you need to realise you are risking chance of pregnancy. If I got a girl pregnant then it is my responsibility to understand what I have done and bring the baby up in the world.

If we got into the topic of rape then it becomes a bit more confusing... but if the baby is set for a healthy development, and you have not been raped, then its your own responsibility to bring it up.

Take responsibility??? Having an abortion instead of bringing an unwanted baby into the world is taking responsibility.

No, its just basically covering something over to pretend it never happened.

Real responsibility is dealing with the consequences and not doing a selfish act.

But what is more responsible;
Getting rid of a baby, because you will not be able to give it a good life.
Having the baby, regretting it, it growing up without a loving, stable environment?

Its called adoption! Let someone else bring the baby up, give someone who can't have kids a chance. Its all just so selfish! Why should this baby suffer because your not ready! Its your own fault!
Be ready! My mum wasn't ready when she had me, my sister wasn't ready when she had my niece. But at least they were brave enough to take on their consequences.

You are all selfish and you need to learn the world doesn't revolve round your life, if you are pregnant then your life is the babies too. If its not what you want its tough... if you are having sex you need to be adult enough to accept these situations. Its only due to people playing about, having sex with who they want too or people having short term relationships that abortion has become so popular.
If you get pregnant... its tough ****! Deal with it, get some courage and do your duties, dont be a wimp and chicken out because you are throwing someone elses life away for the sake of your own selfish needs.

Its about time everyone got a reality check... dont have sex if you cant handle the facts!

Too many people see being selfish as a bad thing. It isn't. If we weren't a little bit selfish we'd be utter doormats. People dont have to do things they don't want to. Pregnancy can ruins someone body, can make them depressed etc. If that's what can happen, then I'm all for abortion.

Annie · 15-10-2008, 08:10 PM

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Men should NEVER be able to force a woman into keeping a baby. Its her body. She would be the one going through all the pain, body changing, emotionally strained etc. Just for you! Eh naw.

Its her body. She can do with it what she wishes.

Oh so screw what he wants and screw the value of life, she doesn't want stretch marks or her hormones to change, thats a good enough reason to destroy a life that would be loved by the other parent.

Its not just the body changing and stretch marks! Its giving birth to someone! You cant be forced to GIVE BIRTH!!

Its a disgrace that you would believe such a thing!

You cannot say I want that baby! In 9 months I want you to have a baby and give it to me cos I wana be a father!

Tom · 15-10-2008, 08:11 PM

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Men should NEVER be able to force a woman into keeping a baby. Its her body. She would be the one going through all the pain, body changing, emotionally strained etc. Just for you! Eh naw.

Its her body. She can do with it what she wishes.

Oh so screw what he wants and screw the value of life, she doesn't want stretch marks or her hormones to change, thats a good enough reason to destroy a life that would be loved by the other parent.

You do realise is men could have children this conversation wouldn't excist... No uterus... no vaild comment.

Well that makes no sense anyway but what I can get from it is ridiculous. A baby isn't all just down to a woman you know, men do have involvement, and no men would mean no babies either.

Fom · 15-10-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by Tom

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Originally posted by Ruth

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Originally posted by Fom
I repeat what I have said before... if you get pregnant, its your own fault! Take the responsibility! If you are having sex then you need to realise you are risking chance of pregnancy. If I got a girl pregnant then it is my responsibility to understand what I have done and bring the baby up in the world.

If we got into the topic of rape then it becomes a bit more confusing... but if the baby is set for a healthy development, and you have not been raped, then its your own responsibility to bring it up.

Take responsibility??? Having an abortion instead of bringing an unwanted baby into the world is taking responsibility.

No, its just basically covering something over to pretend it never happened.

Real responsibility is dealing with the consequences and not doing a selfish act.

But what is more responsible;
Getting rid of a baby, because you will not be able to give it a good life.
Having the baby, regretting it, it growing up without a loving, stable environment?

Its called adoption! Let someone else bring the baby up, give someone who can't have kids a chance. Its all just so selfish! Why should this baby suffer because your not ready! Its your own fault!
Be ready! My mum wasn't ready when she had me, my sister wasn't ready when she had my niece. But at least they were brave enough to take on their consequences.

You are all selfish and you need to learn the world doesn't revolve round your life, if you are pregnant then your life is the babies too. If its not what you want its tough... if you are having sex you need to be adult enough to accept these situations. Its only due to people playing about, having sex with who they want too or people having short term relationships that abortion has become so popular.
If you get pregnant... its tough ****! Deal with it, get some courage and do your duties, dont be a wimp and chicken out because you are throwing someone elses life away for the sake of your own selfish needs.

Its about time everyone got a reality check... dont have sex if you cant handle the facts!

Too many people see being selfish as a bad thing. It isn't. If we weren't a little bit selfish we'd be utter doormats. People dont have to do things they don't want to. Pregnancy can ruins someone body, can make them depressed etc. If that's what can happen, then I'm all for abortion.

Depression can be cured, a fetus in a bin cannot!

Tom · 15-10-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by Annie

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Men should NEVER be able to force a woman into keeping a baby. Its her body. She would be the one going through all the pain, body changing, emotionally strained etc. Just for you! Eh naw.

Its her body. She can do with it what she wishes.

Oh so screw what he wants and screw the value of life, she doesn't want stretch marks or her hormones to change, thats a good enough reason to destroy a life that would be loved by the other parent.

Its not just the body changing and stretch marks! Its giving birth to someone! You cant be forced to GIVE BIRTH!!

Its a disgrace that you would believe such a thing!

You cannot say I want that baby! In 9 months I want you to have a baby and give it to me cos I wana be a father!

So why is it different if the father doesn't want it but the mother does? OK he doesn't have to go through the changes but IMO the same principle still applies. Then a lot of women get the courts involved because the fathers don't want anything to do with the baby. I don't think that would happen as much the other way around ...

Jake! · 15-10-2008, 08:12 PM

I'm boy and believe that its the woman decision, but I still believe abortion should be before ten weeks otherwise its a no no.

Billy · 15-10-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by Tom

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Originally posted by Ruth

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Originally posted by Fom
I repeat what I have said before... if you get pregnant, its your own fault! Take the responsibility! If you are having sex then you need to realise you are risking chance of pregnancy. If I got a girl pregnant then it is my responsibility to understand what I have done and bring the baby up in the world.

If we got into the topic of rape then it becomes a bit more confusing... but if the baby is set for a healthy development, and you have not been raped, then its your own responsibility to bring it up.

Take responsibility??? Having an abortion instead of bringing an unwanted baby into the world is taking responsibility.

No, its just basically covering something over to pretend it never happened.

Real responsibility is dealing with the consequences and not doing a selfish act.

But what is more responsible;
Getting rid of a baby, because you will not be able to give it a good life.
Having the baby, regretting it, it growing up without a loving, stable environment?

Its called adoption! Let someone else bring the baby up, give someone who can't have kids a chance. Its all just so selfish! Why should this baby suffer because your not ready! Its your own fault!
Be ready! My mum wasn't ready when she had me, my sister wasn't ready when she had my niece. But at least they were brave enough to take on their consequences.

You are all selfish and you need to learn the world doesn't revolve round your life, if you are pregnant then your life is the babies too. If its not what you want its tough... if you are having sex you need to be adult enough to accept these situations. Its only due to people playing about, having sex with who they want too or people having short term relationships that abortion has become so popular.
If you get pregnant... its tough ****! Deal with it, get some courage and do your duties, dont be a wimp and chicken out because you are throwing someone elses life away for the sake of your own selfish needs.

Its about time everyone got a reality check... dont have sex if you cant handle the facts!

Too many people see being selfish as a bad thing. It isn't. If we weren't a little bit selfish we'd be utter doormats. People dont have to do things they don't want to. Pregnancy can ruins someone body, can make them depressed etc. If that's what can happen, then I'm all for abortion.

Depression can be cured, a fetus in a bin cannot!

And? She shouldn't have to feel the way she does just because she has been forced to have a baby. It's not fair on her, and ultimately, it's not fair on the baby.

Jen · 15-10-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by Annie
Men should NEVER be able to force a woman into keeping a baby. Its her body. She would be the one going through all the pain, body changing, emotionally strained etc. Just for you! Eh naw.

Its her body. She can do with it what she wishes.

Oh so screw what he wants and screw the value of life, she doesn't want stretch marks or her hormones to change, thats a good enough reason to destroy a life that would be loved by the other parent.

You do realise is men could have children this conversation wouldn't excist... No uterus... no vaild comment.

Well that makes no sense anyway but what I can get from it is ridiculous. A baby isn't all just down to a woman you know, men do have involvement, and no men would mean no babies either.

It does make sense...
Child Birth is a BIG deal...
As Annie said... NO woman should EVER be forced into giving birth to a baby she doesn't want...

Annie · 15-10-2008, 08:14 PM

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You are all selfish and you need to learn the world doesn't revolve round your life

Eh without your life - the world is nothing to you so what would it matter?!

Tom · 15-10-2008, 08:14 PM

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And? She shouldn't have to feel the way she does just because she has been forced to have a baby. It's not fair on her, and ultimately, it's not fair on the baby.

Its not fair on the baby to be killed when it would have a loving parent either. If she felt that strongly about not wanting it she wouldn't care about giving it away, but would just hate the 9 months. Why should 2 peoples happiness be ruined for the sake of one persons?

Jake! · 15-10-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by Tom

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Originally posted by Annie

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Men should NEVER be able to force a woman into keeping a baby. Its her body. She would be the one going through all the pain, body changing, emotionally strained etc. Just for you! Eh naw.

Its her body. She can do with it what she wishes.

Oh so screw what he wants and screw the value of life, she doesn't want stretch marks or her hormones to change, thats a good enough reason to destroy a life that would be loved by the other parent.

Its not just the body changing and stretch marks! Its giving birth to someone! You cant be forced to GIVE BIRTH!!

Its a disgrace that you would believe such a thing!

You cannot say I want that baby! In 9 months I want you to have a baby and give it to me cos I wana be a father!

So why is it different if the father doesn't want it but the mother does? OK he doesn't have to go through the changes but IMO the same principle still applies. Then a lot of women get the courts involved because the fathers don't want anything to do with the baby. I don't think that would happen as much the other way around ...

Then the kid is suffering at neglect Annie, because it won't be loved by its father, wichis als wrong. Women constantly complaina bout being ditched at birth,but it can be helped. If it works one way where the mother can get rid because she's unable to be a parent it should be the same for men.

Fom · 15-10-2008, 08:15 PM

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Men should NEVER be able to force a woman into keeping a baby. Its her body. She would be the one going through all the pain, body changing, emotionally strained etc. Just for you! Eh naw.

Its her body. She can do with it what she wishes.

Oh so screw what he wants and screw the value of life, she doesn't want stretch marks or her hormones to change, thats a good enough reason to destroy a life that would be loved by the other parent.

You do realise is men could have children this conversation wouldn't excist... No uterus... no vaild comment.

Well that makes no sense anyway but what I can get from it is ridiculous. A baby isn't all just down to a woman you know, men do have involvement, and no men would mean no babies either.

It does make sense...
Child Birth is a BIG deal...
As Annie said... NO woman should EVER be forced into giving birth to a baby she doesn't want...

I repeat... you don't want the giving birth to deal with... then you are not adult enough to have sex.

Billy · 15-10-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by Tom

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And? She shouldn't have to feel the way she does just because she has been forced to have a baby. It's not fair on her, and ultimately, it's not fair on the baby.

Its not fair on the baby to be killed when it would have a loving parent either. If she felt that strongly about not wanting it she wouldn't care about giving it away, but would just hate the 9 months. Why should 2 peoples happiness be ruined for the sake of one persons?

Because the one person does not have to endure the pain and the stress that the mother does, when going through a pregnancy.
If you can't see that then :\

Annie · 15-10-2008, 08:17 PM

Fom you cant just say take responsibility or dont have sex!!

Mistakes happen!

Jake! · 15-10-2008, 08:18 PM

Ok your 21, and have an abortion. Two years later there's an accident or your ill and you have an hysterectomy. You will live your live in guilt forever about a half an hour job for family you could've had... How would you feel then?

Tom · 15-10-2008, 08:18 PM

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And? She shouldn't have to feel the way she does just because she has been forced to have a baby. It's not fair on her, and ultimately, it's not fair on the baby.

Its not fair on the baby to be killed when it would have a loving parent either. If she felt that strongly about not wanting it she wouldn't care about giving it away, but would just hate the 9 months. Why should 2 peoples happiness be ruined for the sake of one persons?

Because the one person does not have to endure the pain and the stress that the mother does, when going through a pregnancy.
If you can't see that then :\

But its easily overcome, millions of women go through the pain and depression each year. What if he wanted it badly, say it was his final chance. It would emotionally hurt him. Why is that any different to the pain the mother would suffer? OK its milder, but its still pain. Then theres the child who would be physically hurt and having an innocent life removed. So its OK to damage 2 lives to save 1?

Fom · 15-10-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Annie
Fom you cant just say take responsibility or dont have sex!!

Mistakes happen!

Then people should take responsibility for their mistakes!

Jen · 15-10-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Tom

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Originally posted by Annie
Men should NEVER be able to force a woman into keeping a baby. Its her body. She would be the one going through all the pain, body changing, emotionally strained etc. Just for you! Eh naw.

Its her body. She can do with it what she wishes.

Oh so screw what he wants and screw the value of life, she doesn't want stretch marks or her hormones to change, thats a good enough reason to destroy a life that would be loved by the other parent.

You do realise is men could have children this conversation wouldn't excist... No uterus... no vaild comment.

Well that makes no sense anyway but what I can get from it is ridiculous. A baby isn't all just down to a woman you know, men do have involvement, and no men would mean no babies either.

It does make sense...
Child Birth is a BIG deal...
As Annie said... NO woman should EVER be forced into giving birth to a baby she doesn't want...

I repeat... you don't want the giving birth to deal with... then you are not adult enough to have sex.

Its not being ready or dealing with it...
Sex can go either way.. as everyone knows.
If you use ALL of the contraception in the world you can still get pregnant...

BUT if a woman does not WANT a baby... she should NEVER be forced into child birth... thats horrid if you think that she should..

Billy · 15-10-2008, 08:19 PM

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And? She shouldn't have to feel the way she does just because she has been forced to have a baby. It's not fair on her, and ultimately, it's not fair on the baby.

Its not fair on the baby to be killed when it would have a loving parent either. If she felt that strongly about not wanting it she wouldn't care about giving it away, but would just hate the 9 months. Why should 2 peoples happiness be ruined for the sake of one persons?

Because the one person does not have to endure the pain and the stress that the mother does, when going through a pregnancy.
If you can't see that then :\

But its easily overcome, millions of women go through the pain and depression each year. What if he wanted it badly, say it was his final chance. It would emotionally hurt him. Why is that any different to the pain the mother would suffer? OK its milder, but its still pain. Then theres the child who would be physically hurt and having an innocent life removed. So its OK to damage 2 lives to save 1?

Yes it is, because the woman can't be forced to have a baby.

Jake! · 15-10-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Annie
Fom you cant just say take responsibility or dont have sex!!

Mistakes happen!

Yes
Mistakes hapen, but mistakes like preganncy can be stopped before that though, how, condoms, the pill. That way you can't kill something that can't be started...

Jake! · 15-10-2008, 08:19 PM

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Ok your 21, and have an abortion. Two years later there's an accident or your ill and you have an hysterectomy. You will live your live in guilt forever about a half an hour job for family you could've had... How would you feel then?

Tom · 15-10-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Annie
Fom you cant just say take responsibility or dont have sex!!

Mistakes happen!

You have to take responsibility and you have to be prepared. If you think "oh we had protected sex it won't happen" then firstly, you're delusional and secondly you aren't mentally mature enough if you're going to forget about any risks.

Tom · 15-10-2008, 08:20 PM

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And? She shouldn't have to feel the way she does just because she has been forced to have a baby. It's not fair on her, and ultimately, it's not fair on the baby.

Its not fair on the baby to be killed when it would have a loving parent either. If she felt that strongly about not wanting it she wouldn't care about giving it away, but would just hate the 9 months. Why should 2 peoples happiness be ruined for the sake of one persons?

Because the one person does not have to endure the pain and the stress that the mother does, when going through a pregnancy.
If you can't see that then :\

But its easily overcome, millions of women go through the pain and depression each year. What if he wanted it badly, say it was his final chance. It would emotionally hurt him. Why is that any different to the pain the mother would suffer? OK its milder, but its still pain. Then theres the child who would be physically hurt and having an innocent life removed. So its OK to damage 2 lives to save 1?

Yes it is, because the woman can't be forced to have a baby.

No offence but you talk some crap. You were saying she shouldn't have the baby because it would damage her life, but when its ending a life and damaging someone elses, thats suddenly OK?

Jen · 15-10-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by JustJake

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Originally posted by Annie
Fom you cant just say take responsibility or dont have sex!!

Mistakes happen!

Yes
Mistakes hapen, but mistakes like preganncy can be stopped before that though, how, condoms, the pill. That way you can't kill something that can't be started...

Contraception does not prevent it completely...
We are NOT saying "Lets use abortion as contaception" we are saying when the contraception fails.. an abortion is the right thing to do if you do NOT want the baby.

Jake! · 15-10-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by Tom

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Fom you cant just say take responsibility or dont have sex!!

Mistakes happen!

You have to take responsibility and you have to be prepared. If you think "oh we had protected sex it won't happen" then firstly, you're delusional and secondly you aren't mentally mature enough if you're going to forget about any risks.

Like everythink in life Abortion carries risks, many risks many more than condoms that can fend of something that can't be created, and your not killing anything...

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