[JohnnyBB]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

4 years ago when they decided not to do a live feed.

[Rob!]

The live feed hasn't got anything to do with it.
What was it even against last night?!

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

4 years ago when they decided not to do a live feed. The website is appalling as well. This is supposed to be a Modern, edgy, interactive show and yet it feels dated and is keep the viewers at a distance.

Maybe I'm wrong but I personally don't believe at all that the lack of live feed is the reason for the ratings today. It might have switched off a couple of hundred thousand hardcore viewers maximum but that's probably it. Didn't they introduce live feed at night last year on 5* and they had to cancel it because it rated terribly?

The move to C5 and the change in editing since BB11 to a more messy appearance as opposed to the simple, clean, MUCH better editing we used to get didn't help it. Equally, their choice in housemates has on the whole not been good in recent years. However, overall the ratings have generally been falling year on year since around BB7 so it was probably always going to reach this point eventually. Now it just fluctuates between 1m - 2m depending on how interesting the housemates are.

The problem for me this year was the abysmal launch show. That turned me off and made me decide to take a year out this year, as well as being sick of the show after having to put up with 3 series each year.

[Rob!]

Urgh it's got another football match to contend with tonight.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by RichardG

Maybe I'm wrong but I personally don't believe at all that the lack of live feed is the reason for the ratings today. It might have switched off a couple of hundred thousand hardcore viewers but that's probably it. Didn't they introduce live feed at night last year on 5* and they had to cancel it because it rated terribly?

No, they put it on at 7 pm against the soaps. How could it ever rate well at that time? Especially when it's the time they are often just in the kitchen cooking.

The move to C5 and the change in editing since BB11 to a more messy appearance as opposed to the simple, clean, MUCH better editing we used to get didn't help it. Equally, their choice in housemates has on the whole not been good in recent years. However, overall the ratings have been falling year in year since BB7 so it was probably always going to reach this point eventually. Now it just fluctuates between around 1m - 2m depending on how interesting the housemates are.

The decline began with the second half of BB7 after Nikki was evicted. The live coverage was dramatically reduced during BB10 which was the lowest rated series on Channel 4. The highest rated series on Channel 5 was last years which had an extra 2 hours of live coverage every night on the net.

It's not rocket science imo. Well over 200,000 watched the live coverage on Channel4/E4 red button throughout the day. It's hard to get a real figure because it's 24/7 but once you add up all the different individual homes watching throughout the day it could be well over a million in total.

When they have done live coverage on Channel 5 after the eviction shows, they've rated extremely well. Better than BOTS

Fact is people were desperate for Channel 5 to revive the show and do it properly. They promised the return of the red button interactive service and then it never happened. The lack of live coverage slows down all the talk about it on internet forums and fansites (not to mention twitter) and keeps viewers at a distance from what was always meant to be an interactive show.

There are other problems. Poor choices of housemates, terrible tasks, ridiculous twists, awful editing and so on. There's just no sense to me in picking housemates who talk about fingerblasting women on about day 3 and including that on the show. It's vulgar and offputting.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Willbrick1999

I think a lot if people thought it was at 10, they need to stick to 9 or 10.

Yes but +1 would have been much higher if that was the sole reason.

[aman201]

The series simply hasn't been good enough.

I know a few folk who are tuning off slowly but surely for exactly this reason.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

No, they put it on at 7 pm against the soaps. How could it ever rate well at that time? Especially when it's the time they are often just in the kitchen cooking.




The decline began with the second half of BB7 after Nikki was evicted. The live coverage was dramatically reduced during BB10 which was the lowest rated series on Channel 4. The highest rated series on Channel 5 was last years which had an extra 2 hours of live coverage every night on the net.

It's not rocket science imo. Well over 200,000 watched the live coverage on Channel4/E4 red button throughout the day. It's hard to get a real figure because it's 24/7 but once you add up all the different individual homes watching throughout the day it could be well over a million in total.

When they have done live coverage on Channel 5 after the eviction shows, they've rated extremely well. Better than BOTS

Fact is people were desperate for Channel 5 to revive the show and do it properly. They promised the return of the red button interactive service and then it never happened. The lack of live coverage slows down all the talk about it on internet forums and fansites (not to mention twitter) and keeps viewers at a distance from what was always meant to be an interactive show.

There are other problems. Poor choices of housemates, terrible tasks, ridiculous twists, awful editing and so on. There's just no sense to me in picking housemates who talk about fingerblasting women on about day 3 and including that on the show. It's vulgar and offputting.

Oh for god sakes I agree with it being up against the soaps but the people in the kitchen cooking excuse?

[Will.]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Yes but +1 would have been much higher if that was the sole reason.

Oh I did not realise that was the official plus 1, then that's quite bad.

[aman201]

Originally Posted by RobInnes

Urgh it's got another football match to contend with tonight.

The ratings today are going to be awful.

A pretty enticing WC quarter-final match bang on exactly the time BB Eviction is on.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by RobInnes

The live feed hasn't got anything to do with it.
What was it even against last night?!

The show has been in steady decline ever since the reduced live coverage. It's perfectly obvious why... You cannot get to know these people to anything like the same degree that you used to be able to do. Viewers feel nothing for the housemates and are increasingly distrusting of what they are seeing. They've grown cynical and fed up.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Oh for god sakes I agree with it being up against the soaps but the people in the kitchen cooking excuse?

Yes, it's up against the soaps and it is probably one of the least interesting times of the day. That's obvious. After that proved to be a failure (as people pointed out to those who made the decision that it would be) they put it on at midnight to 2 am on the net thereafter.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

The show has been in steady decline ever since the reduced live coverage. It's perfectly obvious why... You cannot get to know these people to anything like the same degree that you used to be able to do. Viewers feel nothing for the housemates and are increasingly distrusting of what they are seeing. They've grown cynical and fed up.

The show had actually been steadily increasing, look at CBB in January almost getting 4 million on finale night and that's after 13 years on screen.

The normal BB also climbed in ratings with it being the highest rated on Channel 5 and the first time in 3 years ratings getting 2 million and above for some highlight shows and evictions.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

The show had actually been steadily increasing, look at CBB in January almost getting 4 million on finale night and that's after 13 years on screen.

The CBB series is obviously different to the normal series. Especially if they get a famous person like Jim Davidson. But what it does show is that there is still an audience for BB if you do it right.

People already feel they know something about the celebs. Without the live coverage it's difficult to get to know the normal housemates. Fact is, the normal series grew to the cultural event it became based on a simple format... House, housemates, 24/7 feed. They should have never fiddled with that.

The normal BB also climbed in ratings with it being the highest rated on Channel 5 and the first time in 3 years ratings getting 2 million and above for some highlight shows and evictions.

The first year they have increased live coverage...

[erinp5]

Big Brother Xtra @BigBrotherXtra · 1m

Big Brother Crisis only 924k (4.6%) tuned in last night - HUGE Shake up brewing, but will it be enough?

[mrmattybeck1]

Bloody terrible axe it now

[mrmattybeck1]

Helen is turning ppl away

[mrmattybeck1]

Originally Posted by irishdave

Please stop making excuses about ratings - it is rating dreadfully! And it deserves to. Where did it all go wrong?

Agree too many ppl suck up to bb terrible rating

[mrmattybeck1]

Originally Posted by RobInnes

The live feed hasn't got anything to do with it.
What was it even against last night?!

It bloody does

[JohnnyBB]

Its hard for me its only me and my mum watching cant talk abuot it with freinds they wont give it the time of day they need a re launch and fast!

[Brother Leon]

Ratings tonight will be messy with it clashing with Brazil.

[Iceman]

After reading highlights it's the match for me.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by mrmattybeck1

Bloody terrible axe it now

It would annoy me if they did. For 4 years people have been campaigning about the live coverage and also with all sorts of ideas about making it a better, more complete show, adding to what was the original format with a great site, multiple feeds, exclusive diary room access for live nominations and so on. They've been doing it on the cheap for the last 3 years unfortunately.

They sometimes get by with a good selection of celebs, but they have never ever listened to the fans when it comes to the civilian BB.

[mrmattybeck1]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

It would annoy me if they did. For 4 years people have been campaigning about the live coverage and also with all sorts of ideas about making it a better, more complete show, adding to what was the original format with a great site, multiple feeds, exclusive diary room access for live nominations and so on. They've been doing it on the cheap for the last 3 years unfortunately.

They sometimes get by with a good selection of celebs, but they have never ever listened to the fans when it comes to the civilian BB.

The show generally needs a big shakeup

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by mrmattybeck1

The show generally needs a big shakeup

Yep. More likely to axe it without ever having listened to the fans and give it a go though.