[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Alf

One thing the leave campaign was absolutely adamant on was that if they won, the opposing side wouldn't accept it and try and make us keep voting until they get the result they want. That was something that was regularly said. Did the leave campaign lie about that?

I cant believe am about to say this, but I agree with Farage on that one. What he said BEFORE the results though of course, as since the results the tunes been changed hugely.

Edit to add

Farage: In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it

Ha, edited yet again to say, my page had not refreshed so I didnt realise I was basically parroting annie

[Ammi]

...I guess if the majority of Brexiters are anti-re-vote...then that would indicate that any knowledge or talks of the Irish borders../...potential jeopardising if the GFA, would have made no difference....which I guess also, makes me think of Dara’s words again...

[user104658]

I wonder, once we actively leave the EU, are Brexiteers going to be peeved when people start campaigning for re-entry? Will that still be "undemocratic"?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I wonder, once we actively leave the EU, are Brexiteers going to be peeved when people start campaigning for re-entry? Will that still be "undemocratic"?

No, it will be fine for a Political party to put in their manifesto a new referendum. Then it will be down to the people to vote them into power.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I wonder, once we actively leave the EU, are Brexiteers going to be peeved when people start campaigning for re-entry? Will that still be "undemocratic"?

...everyone is going to be too busy hating on Scotland for going for their independence ...you’re the next target, me dear...

[Twosugars]

In the words of Stephen Gethins:

The charlatans and chancers who led the Leave campaign did not even have the decency to set out their plans before the vote, which has led directly to the uncertainty and damage that we face today. The council president has hit the nail on the head with his remarks.

Before any election or referendum, it is a basic part of democracy that those seeking office or a change set out their proposals in a manifesto or white paper and can then be held to account based on what was said before a vote. Yet those who campaigned for leave, including senior UK government ministers, failed even in this basic democratic requirement.

Their action stands in stark contrast to the Scottish government that rightly opened up its plans to full scrutiny by producing a 650-page white paper and other position papers ahead of Scotland’s independence referendum.

Providing a blueprint for future plans as well as means of accountability is responsible politics. Instead, with Brexit, we are faced with a situation where even the UK government itself is warning of food and medicine shortages and the loss hundreds of thousands of jobs and a massive economic hit.

We are facing the worst crisis in peace-time because of senior government figures failing to hold themselves to account for their actions or have a plan for what comes next other than holding the
Tory party together. All the while the Labour party acts as a willing accomplice in inflicting this economic devastation.

The rest of Europe can clearly see that it is all of us in the UK who are paying the price for their continued failure.

[Twosugars]

It was an ill-informed advice

[Alf]

All this talk about Ireland. Didn't Ireland vote to leave the EU or some sort of vote on the EU and they were made to vote again until they voted the correct way?

I remember hearing something about that.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

All this talk about Ireland. Didn't Ireland vote to leave the EU or some sort of vote on the EU and they were made to vote again until they voted the correct way?

I remember hearing something about that.

I do like this selectiveness. You posted a few pages ago about how we'll have more money for the NHS when we stop paying into the EU, I gave you the real financial info and you disappeared faster than Madeline.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I do like this selectiveness. You posted a few pages ago about how we'll have more money for the NHS when we stop paying into the EU, I gave you the real financial info and you disappeared faster than Madeline.

You don't know the financial info. Why would they tell you?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

You don't know the financial info. Why would they tell you?

That's really the reply you want to go with?

They don't have to tell me, independent financial experts make it known to everyone, by looking at the data and reporting their findings.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's really the reply you want to go with?

They don't have to tell me, independent financial experts make it known to everyone, by looking at the data and reporting their findings.

Good on em' I expect they do a great job.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I do like this selectiveness. You posted a few pages ago about how we'll have more money for the NHS when we stop paying into the EU, I gave you the real financial info and you disappeared faster than Madeline.

Not Madeleine

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

All this talk about Ireland. Didn't Ireland vote to leave the EU or some sort of vote on the EU and they were made to vote again until they voted the correct way?

I remember hearing something about that.

No we never voted to leave the EU

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No we never voted to leave the EU

Why vote to leave a family of supportive fellow Europeans
Unless you want to become an American colony that is

[lime]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No we never voted to leave the EU

facts don't matter in Brexitland

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lime

facts don't matter in Brexitland

Results don't matter to Communists.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Alf

Results don't matter to Communists.

Cool story but WTf has it go do with the British border here in Ireland

[MTVN]

Alf is thinking about the referendum on the Lisbon treaty I expect

[Alf]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Alf is thinking about the referendum on the Lisbon treaty I expect

There was something when they were made to vote again, right?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Alf

There was something when they were made to vote again, right?

They rejected the Lisbon treaty then passed it on a second referendum although I think it was a revised treaty that they then approved

At least Ireland had a referendum on it though - we were always promised one and never got it. It's why I think Cameron has a point that sooner or later an EU referendum would have been needed in this country because there'd been so many transfers of powers from countries to the EU since we joined it that the UKs position needing resolving

[Alf]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They rejected the Lisbon treaty then passed it on a second referendum although I think it was a revised treaty that they then approved

At least Ireland had a referendum on it though - we were always promised one and never got it. It's why I think Cameron has a point that sooner or later an EU referendum would have been needed in this country because there'd been so many transfers of powers from countries to the EU since we joined it that the UKs position needing resolving

As much as this referendum as been a sh!t show. I think it was needed, and it's really exposed people for what they are and shown the absolute contempt our representatives have for the people they're paid to serve, and how far removed they are from the people of this country. This definitely needed to happen to drain the swamp, I only hope it ends peacefully.

[Kizzy]

If we truly are democratic and the kingdoms of the UK divolved then why wasn't the referendum done by country? That way there would be no taking another country out against its will. The votes could have been stratified by population?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Alf

There was something when they were made to vote again, right?

yes, there was. It's happened in other EU countries too where the referendum was rerun

[lime]

Out of interest where are you based?I always thought you where British but now i see your use of language " drain the swamp".

Are you American?