[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Alone we're insignificant.

and again from your words you are making an assumption that whatever outcome we have in the coming weeks/months is a permanent one. Which believe it or not is unlikely. Even if we reverted to an insular nation for 40 future years, it's not permanent. Myself, i believe if we exit the eu without a deal there will be a deal done within 5 years to negate the effects. That, could at a maximum be another recession .... We have had plenty recessions before that we have handled.

Of course no one wants to change something that is working, i think it is madness personally, but it's really not the end of the world, and nothing is ever set in concrete as so many appear to believe

[Ammi]

...to be fair though, bots...a recession is something that not everyone can survive...some are already financially stretched as far as capacity allows...

[Ammi]

...I mean it doesn’t help with the Yellowhammer report that the stockpiling of body bags was mentioned...this is the provision being made by the government for tough times then, that we’re going to get through...everyone just has to hold tight for 5 years......the words of the government ..in preparation...and the actions of the government...in preparation...are not correlating at all...

[Ammi]

...just using TS’ word...atm the care for human life being shown by the government is becoming more and more insignificant...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...to be fair though, bots...a recession is something that not everyone can survive...some are already financially stretched as fast as capacity allows...

people will be affected by recession and it's not nice. You and I are both old enough to know what it means to family. But, let me try putting it another way. At the moment, we have a country divided. In order to bring the country back together again in any meaningful way, we are going to have to go through something fundamental together that brings back shared experience and a willingness to work together. That generally comes from adversity. It's sad it has come to this, but I believe its the only way we will regain united purpose.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people will be affected by recession and it's not nice. You and I are both old enough to know what it means to family. But, let me try putting it another way. At the moment, we have a country divided. In order to bring the country back together again in any meaningful way, we are going to have to go through something fundamental together that brings back shared experience and a willingness to work together. That generally comes from adversity. It's sad it has come to this, but I believe its the only way we will regain united purpose.

...hmmmm, the reason that I can’t agree with much of this, bots...is that there is no bond to bring us together when only some people will be impacted really seriously...all this will do is to deepen the divide, I fear...because everything about what’s happening atm points to the elite becoming more elite and the less well off, becoming less well off..this is the very last thing to bring a country together...’I’m alright jack..’...is the name of our after Brexit care package...

[AnnieK]

The number of children already on the bread line and living in poverty in this country is astounding,a no deal Brexit will only push more families into poverty and real financial hardship. These kids are the future of this country and willl be most impacted by no deal and a no deal will seriously compromise their immediate futures. As a first world nation, the levels that people are already suffering are not acceptable....I just find it all incredibly sad.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The number of children already on the bread line and living in poverty in this country is astounding,a no deal Brexit will only push more families into poverty and real financial hardship. These kids are the future of this country and a no deal will seriously compromise their immediate futures. As a first world nation, the levels that people are already suffering are not acceptable....I just find it all incredibly sad.

...it’s not just the physical impact of poverty either, Annie...it’s the impact on mental health within a family, both with children and parents...and the cutbacks that have already been made in mental healthcare by a government that has already stretched beyond limits ...so many families are already at such a weakened/vulnerable place to begin with...before the hardships of Brexit have even begun to impact...

[joeysteele]

My views are well known on here on a no deal brexit, and as to this horrendous dangerous PM and his hard-line Cabinet.

Many have said strong points all through.

All that Ammi and AnnieK have said for me.
It's a great pity the wider media aren't stating what both Ammi and AnnieK are pointing out.

To you AnnieK, I pick up and feel your real concern for yours and other families on this wildy reckless push to no deal brexit by this PM.
I've read and respected all your posts on the issue.

To Ammi, one of the most reasoned people on tibb, who doesn't pull punches when necessary on extremely important issues.
While still staying reasoned.
The compassion for those who will be affected with endless uncertainty and hardship, from this present PMs divisive, reckless and dangerous aims he seems to be determined to see through.
Your compassion is commendable and welcome.

I'm left in dismay any could support a no deal brexit.
To actually support this PM in his madman type rants and dangerously divisive aims, is for me unforgivable.

A general election will be held soon, where this crazed, no deal obsessed PM may just win.
Then he can overturn and do anything he likes.

However a general election is NOT the way to decide a brexit policy.

Governments elected, do not get anything like over 50% support from the voters.
This electoral system is ridiculous.

In 2005, Labour got 35.2% the Cons got 32.7%
It resulted in a 68 overall majority for Labour.
Totally ridiculous.

A general election could make things even worse.

Anyway, ending this post I want to thank Ammi and Anniek for all their strong and fair reasoned points.

[Nicky91]

those who support a no deal brexit, don't think about the consequences of the middle class and the poor british people

utterly utterly selfish ideas from a ''established elite'' party what the brexit party is, consisting out of only elitists


my sort of ''brexit'' would be, a no deal and then going even further and taking away some of the wealth from the british elite to divide that over the british middle class and poor, make NHS better even for the poorest person in britain

a left wing stable equal brexit is what the country needs, but sadly at this moment i cannot see it happening, since people apparently like voting for loudmouth bigots, and Nigel Farage would be a 100 times worse PM than boris johnson and a million times worse PM than theresa may

a vote for farage is a vote for power hungry elitists who do not care about the common british people, just about themselves and the attention they get from leadership

[Beso]

The Germans will ensure a deal goes through, it could be as soon as the end of this week imo.

[lime]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The Germans will ensure a deal goes through, it could be as soon as the end of this week imo.

What do you base your opinion on ?

I truly believe that alot of brexiters have no comprehension of the feeling in EU.
This nonsence of how the EU will blink is carrying on since 2016.
Strange time to be alive when facts don't matter

[Beso]

Originally Posted by lime

What do you base your opinion on ?

I truly believe that alot of brexiters have no comprehension of the feeling in EU.
This nonsence of how the EU will blink is carrying on since 2016.
Strange time to be alive when facts don't matter

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...-Boris-no-deal

[lime]

Originally Posted by parmnion

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...-Boris-no-deal

Sweet Jesus

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by lime

Sweet Jesus

Express is a gutter rag and that Daly woman is an idiot

[bots]

the Daily Express is basically a comic

[Beso]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the Daily Express is basically a comic

Who the link is doesn't matter in this instance as it's reporting something that was aired on tv.


Now I wonder where lime gets his obviously for more informative info from that he comes to his conclusions??

[Ammi]

..Lime is a female...

[Twosugars]

Daley also predicted trump will be removed fro power in 2019.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..Lime is a female...

how nice

[arista]

Typical Few Sad Protestors
out there.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmmm, I’m still confused by your stance...but I’m going to leave it there...you say it remains to be seen whether peace would be compromised, while a no deal Brexit is going to compromise the Good Friday Agreement and this is all very imminent... the fear and concern of those living in and out of NI is very real and very now...the fear though of JC becoming PM does not have a huge likelihood atm..anyways I don’t see this as a who is/was worse competition, I see someone in Johnson who is self serving and ego driven, sadly...the very opposite of what the country would have needed right now in this time of uncertainty, fear and division...but yeah, I’m going to leave it there, Jet...

Well, we don’t know if a no deal is even going to happen. If it did, and all the devastating consequences that is predicted by many here occured, then Johnson would hardly win the next election, would he? (Apart from the fact he might have to resign or even be jailed if he refused to abide by the law by asking for an extension). Enter Corbyn as PM...and wait for the damage his policies would have...yet no - one is discussing that fearful prospect. Apart from the fact he is a terrorist hugger and anti - semite enabler. Apart from the fact he will go whichever way the wind blows and desert his own principles as a lifetime euro sceptic to get power.
And really, being self serving and ego driven is a pre - requisite for the job of PM. I really can’t see how a Boris no deal would serve him or his ego if his legacy was going to be the PM who pushed through a no deal with horrific results like businesses folding, people starving and an end to peace in Ireland. Sounds like political suicide to me. Doesn’t compute.

But I don’t want to go any further into all this so, like yourself, I would like to leave it there if you don’t mind.

[arista]

[Tom4784]

The fixation on Corbyn is nothing more than a distraction tactic. Worrying about what comes next if we prevent Boris from ****ing us over is pointless while Boris is still a threat.

Also it's not just 'here' that's predicting a catastrophic brexit. Any analyst that's worth a damn has said the same thing and every time a new development happens that pushes us closer to a no deal brexit happens, the pound takes a hit. If people who stake their living on being right are telling you something, people whose expertise in the knowledge of economy far outstrips anyone's here, you listen because it's the height of arrogance to ignore or downplay something you don't want to hear from someone who knows more about the subject than you.

Brexit will be catastrophic, we will be facing a recession, medical supplies shortage and job losses and that's just the optimistic base level predictions. Rather than worrying about what Corbyn might do in a position he'll probably never have, worry about averting a disaster that will likely have ramifications for generations.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The fixation on Corbyn is nothing more than a distraction tactic. Worrying about what comes next if we prevent Boris from ****ing us over is pointless while Boris is still a threat.

Also it's not just 'here' that's predicting a catastrophic brexit. Any analyst that's worth a damn has said the same thing and every time a new development happens that pushes us closer to a no deal brexit happens, the pound takes a hit. If people who stake their living on being right are telling you something, people whose expertise in the knowledge of economy far outstrips anyone's here, you listen because it's the height of arrogance to ignore or downplay something you don't want to hear from someone who knows more about the subject than you.

Brexit will be catastrophic, we will be facing a recession, medical supplies shortage and job losses and that's just the optimistic base level predictions. Rather than worrying about what Corbyn might do in a position he'll probably never have, worry about averting a disaster that will likely have ramifications for generations.

It is whataboutery of the highest order. Brexit is ****? But what about Corbyn?
Some of his policies are a serious danger to establishment, that's why. Workers rights, nationalisation of railways, higher taxes for the rich etc etc