[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Agree with it all, mostly, except for lisa being hard done by. As i said above, once I could edit..my comp crashed

But all her scheming, tactics and obeying BB's rules shouldn't get her put up lol, she worked hard to ensure it.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by a_2009

No worries.
David's downfall with those 3 seems to be his lack of intellect, so he's not the smartest guy, big deal!! He's not going to be able to hold a discussion on philosophical subjects in the articulate way those 3 can. But I think it's more than obvious he wears his heart on his sleave, he's honest and he's loyal. They are three characteristics that i like in a person.

The dramatic irony that's centred around Bea is quite funny. When people set themselves up as being intellectually superior (maybe go as far as 'know it all's') and patronise others, I do find it amusing to watch their downfall. Maybe i'm slightly cruel, but I despise arrogance.

Well I have to say it a_1009, I have never ever had my mind almost totally changed by one post. But you managed it.

I see it all totally different now, though in the lisa situation, we will have to agree to disagree, I just saw it as a small part her being loyal(She IS very loyal to her friends, no denying it) but mostly because she wanted to have a go at freddie...she must have missed bullying him...it was her hobby for a while...its understandable.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

But all her scheming, tactics and obeying BB's rules shouldn't get her put up lol, she worked hard to ensure it.

I think its rather ironic that despite all this she is still up for eviction...and quite likely to go

[setanta]

Originally posted by a_2009

No worries.
David's downfall with those 3 seems to be his lack of intellect, so he's not the smartest guy, big deal!! He's not going to be able to hold a discussion on philosophical subjects in the articulate way those 3 can. But I think it's more than obvious he wears his heart on his sleave, he's honest and he's loyal. They are three characteristics that i like in a person.

The dramatic irony that's centred around Bea is quite funny. When people set themselves up as being intellectually superior (maybe go as far as 'know it all's') and patronise others, I do find it amusing to watch their downfall. Maybe i'm slightly cruel, but I despise arrogance.

I agree with you there. Bea has a snobby attitude towards people such as David, who are lower to her both in intellect and in her definitions of what constitutes class. I hate people with this kinda unfounded superiority complex, despising inferiors from her perceived lofty perch. David has literally done nothing to merit such disdain. She needs a good fall and I hope she gets it this week.

[AhmedFan2004]

Yes great post a_2009, someone get that up on Digital Spy, they should read it too. Perfectly explained.

Bea's intelligence is ultimately her downfall. I think it's poisoned her in so many ways.

[a_2009]

Originally posted by VickyJ
a_2009 I agree with SOME of your post, you obviously put a lot of thought into it. Most things except for the way you appeared to make lisa out to be kind of blameless for her tirade...because she was p****d off at being up for eviction, I think it was partly out of loyalty to david, and partly out of her festering hatred of freddie.

Nah not blameless by any means mate, the reasons i gave were the things which I believe contributed to her outburst....which was crude and as loud and offensive as you would expect from Lisa. Whilst her response could have erm...maybe been dealt with a little better (haha), I think she's justified in feeling a sense of anger and injustice.

[jet]

Originally posted by a_2009

No worries.
David's downfall with those 3 seems to be his lack of intellect, so he's not the smartest guy, big deal!! He's not going to be able to hold a discussion on philosophical subjects in the articulate way those 3 can. But I think it's more than obvious he wears his heart on his sleave, he's honest and he's loyal. They are three characteristics that i like in a person.

The dramatic irony that's centred around Bea is quite funny. When people set themselves up as being intellectually superior (maybe go as far as 'know it all's') and patronise others, I do find it amusing to watch their downfall. Maybe i'm slightly cruel, but I despise arrogance.

You and me both, a_2009!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by a_2009

Nah not blameless by any means mate, the reasons i gave were the things which I believe contributed to her outburst....which was crude and as loud and offensive as you would expect from Lisa. Whilst her response could have erm...maybe been dealt with a little better (haha), I think she's justified in feeling a sense of anger and injustice.

Again, I dont think she felt injustice, just mainly an excuse to have a pop at freddie. Which is not out of character

[a_2009]

Originally posted by golden
I think I love a_2009

I am female, based on your gender/sexual orientation you may want to edit that to like

[a_2009]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Well I have to say it a_1009, I have never ever had my mind almost totally changed by one post. But you managed it.

I see it all totally different now, though in the lisa situation, we will have to agree to disagree, I just saw it as a small part her being loyal(She IS very loyal to her friends, no denying it) but mostly because she wanted to have a go at freddie...she must have missed bullying him...it was her hobby for a while...its understandable.

Ah don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to change your opinion of Lisa.
The intention behind my posts are to try and be fair and as objective to the situation as possible (even though the posts are fundamentally subjective *cough*) and just to get a bit of a discussion going. People are never going to agree on everything, but as long as the discussions are conducted with respect...happy days.

[rsefitpro2009]

If Siavash and Marcus hadn't have broken the rules, Bea would have been up for a vote to evict and not to save!. Freddies blowing his chances with this woman in the house!, and it looks like someone not as deserving such as Charlie or Sophie could win over him all because of that btch Bea.

It annoys me that someone whom deserves to win and has done the most in the house is blowing his chances all because of this woman! And the public are looking at someone like Sophie or Charlie as a winner!

[WAYNEEBRUM]

Fred needs to wake up,hes obsessed with Bea.Though seeing her in bed hugging him maybe he gets mixed signals.Either way he was embarrassing to watch when lisa went off on one,the old Fred was better.

[Johann]

Halfarse is a changed man since Bea came in the house - he can't take the fact that she doesn't fancy him so his mind is all screwed up. Normally he would have been all calm and collected when L*sa was running her mouth, but he acted very stupid and it certainly hasn't done him any favors.

[olga]

Originally posted by freddie2win
ive been a huge freddie fan from the start but after seeing that, he is in danger it was pathetic seeing him laugh while lisa was berating him. David is 100% right in sussing bea's gameplan out and after hating lisa initially, she was spot on today. Freddie needs to see the light about bea otherwise he is on his way

So what should he have done while Lisa was ranting at him - sat there meekly; ranted back at her...............he totally did the right thing by laughing - showed just how pathetic she really is - and what she said to him was funny "go and take a w***". Well done Freddie - completely shut her down

[olga]

Originally posted by WAYNEEBRUM
Fred needs to wake up,hes obsessed with Bea.Though seeing her in bed hugging him maybe he gets mixed signals.Either way he was embarrassing to watch when lisa went off on one,the old Fred was better.

He has woken up.............told her on lf early this morning that the reason she was nominated was because she bitches and moans too much and should chill out more. Well done Freddie - finally seen the light.

[BB22]

Originally posted by VickyJ
My internet has been playing up, and I couldnt watch it til now.

Jesus, by the reactions of some on here you would think he had picked up a knife and held it to davids throat.

He wasnt bullying him at all, to me it looked a lot like he was perplexed at how david could befriend lisa after watching the show and knowing what she was like...and fair point to him.

Obviously he wont see why anyone from the outside could possibly like her. And to those who were saying marcus and bea also ganged up on him, i think your vision is clouded by hate. All Bea did was say she didnt udnerstand why he didnt like her, David was nasty in return, so she got a bit wound up...then all marcus did was tell him to 'say what you mean'...he said its best to get it all out in the open, which is true.

Wow, Ive spent the day worrying that freddie had turned into a bully, after how he was treated, and then i see it, and he was in the fecking right. Just shows how hysterical this forum gets over the slightest little thing.

And I loved how he just laughed at lisa when she started with that big gob of hers

Absolutely and totally agree.

I just don't get what the controversy is. The notion that Freddie was "bullying" Dave is just ridiculous and just demonstrates how utterly hysterical people can become in their efforts to mould reality to fit their prejudices.

As for Freddie laughing at Lisa, well I see a lot of people on here with the memory of a goldfish. Have people forgotten the first few weeks when Lisa was also in Freddie's face, pointing and shouting as she was in this latest row? Back then he was intimidated by her and her gang but not any more. Bloody hell, I would have laughed in her face if she had gone stomping around, croaking and waving her arms like she did in this row.

Basically it was the old Lisa back again in full force, only this time Freddie isn't scared, and good for him!

I see Lisa has attracted a few David fans to defend her. That's just a mistake on their part, as far as I am concerned as his association with her is killing him.

And finally, I fail to see how anyone can criticise Marcus here. He uttered about one sentence in the row and didn't even take a side.

Basically, some of the reaction on this forum has been fairly hysterical and unreasonable.

That is all.

[Blueisthecolour]

I'm afraid I just couldn't take any of that argument seriously.

Watching a pack of cards arguing with each other was just too surreal...

[luminoussun]

i like freddie but this has not helped his chances.
Bea must go soon for freddie to stand a chance.
Like rex a woman will be his downfall

[fuzzylovin]

Ohhh wait a minute so freddie is allowed to bully david and its called no hes not bullying him.

But if Bea had done what freddie done, her name would have been slated all over the forum for been a bully bitch.

[hennessy]

This is nothing like the old days
it's 3 vs 2 and David is almost 2 so it's almost fair.
Look at the size of him, the way he goes on about food (not 100% proof) and if Freddie thinks it might be him stealing the food than I'd agree.
What happened to Freddie was awful and in no way compares to this.

[setanta]

I watched the vt again there this morning, and yes, Freddie acted like a tit in it. Can't openly accuse anyone like that in front of your gang. Who is he to question somebody about their relationships in the house. It's infantile and an extremely bad performance by him. It'll be interesting to see how the whole argument developed on the highlights show tonight.

My money is on Freddie and Bea questioning David on why he doesn't like Bea, and it seems perfectly clear to me why he wouldn't like the woman. Freddie has lost the plot.

[Mickey2009]

Seems the tide is is turning against Halfwit & Wholetit
Charlie & Rodrigo are even gone off Halfwit

Well, after yesterday's nominations debacle you'd think that Marcus would have tried to keep a low profile. But oh no – not content with helping ensure that everyone would face eviction, Marcus started a big row with David which ended up with the pair of them being separated by Big Brother before being hauled off to the Diary Room to explain themselves. Then, in the good old 'arguments start arguments' vein, Lisa started on Halfwit because he laughed at the nominations result.

Thankfully, David and Marcus made up later on, but it wasn't the same for Halfwit. He was never going to be best friends with Lisa, but this argument probably made sure they never will be. Rodrigo felt the same way as Lisa too and decided to take back all the nice things he'd previously said about Halfwit. Even Charlie had a bit of a go at him too.

[Indierock&roll]

wtf if that was david saying all that stuff to freddie i still wouldnt call it bullyinng ffs people need there heads checked on here, using the bullying word a bit more loosly, freddie was just telling him WHAT HE THOUGHT of the situation with him and lisa, partly right too
although it probably didnt do him any favours but what about lisa screaming in his face at the end?

[setanta]

Originally posted by Indierock&roll
wtf if that was david saying all that stuff to freddie i still wouldnt call it bullyinng ffs people need there heads checked on here, using the bullying word a bit more loosly, freddie was just telling him WHAT HE THOUGHT of the situation with him and lisa, partly right too
although it probably didnt do him any favours but what about lisa screaming in his face at the end?

I wouldn't call it bullying but it's definitely intimidation through force of numbers. I mean honestly, he had no right to question David on his choice of friends.... fuŁk that. You can't be doing things like that, and then accusing him of having a gameplan becuz of the allegiances he's formed. That's a bit mad now really.

[Indierock&roll]

Originally posted by setanta

I wouldn't call it bullying but it's definitely intimidation through force of numbers. I mean honestly, he had no right to question David on his choice of friends.... fuŁk that. You can't be doing things like that, and then accusing him of having a gameplan becuz of the allegiances he's formed. That's a bit mad now really.

it was only really freddie talking and a bit of bea and marcus said one word.. then lisa was screaming in freddies face and she hadnt even heard all of the conversation