[Nemo123]

Just watched, "Syria Crisis, Free Speech", and nobody questioned whether Assad had did it or not. That was just a futile exercise in debate when the entire premise for your case is likely a lie. If Bashir Al Assad is a brutal dictator then the media has done a lousy job reporting it till now.

[Shaun]

Not sure it's been posted, but the Senate's voted 10-7 for military action.

Oh dear.

[Nemo123]

We need China and Russia to say stop to this imperialism.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

We need China and Russia to say stop to this imperialism.

Yea, because China and Russia are great when it comes to democracy and justice.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Yea, because China and Russia are great when it comes to democracy and justice.

The Americans don't care a hoot about Democracy. They don't even have one in America, just 2 parties financed by wealthy oligarchs.

[Nedusa]

I know lets go over to Syria and fire off hundreds of cruise missiles which will probably kill thousands of innocent people as revenge for Assad killing thousands of innocent people.

Anybody see the flaw in the logic there...???

[Tom4784]

Foolish Senate.

We should not get involved in a military capacity, send aid to the civilians that are caught in the middle but keep out of the conflict. It's not ours, France's or the US' battle and our presence there will only cause more chaos. Both sides are as bad as each other and neither be favoured.

Let them destroy each other and just do what we can to help the civilians.

[Nedusa]

The astonishing hypocrisy of the US knows no limits, the jaw dropping speeches on Tuesday from senior US politicians almost takes ones breath away.

There has been over 100,000 people killed in the SYRIAN civil war. Now suddenly because chemical weapons were used it matters? To the point where we are going to raise tensions over there to a boiling point?

I didn't see the US crying about red lines when Israel was shelling gaza with white phosphorus... I didn't see the US crying when Iraq was gassing Iran. I didn't see anyone blink when crusty old McCain was meeting with terrorists in Syria (you know.. the guy who cut out the heart of a Syrian christian, and ate it)...

Nope.. don't fear all. The US "Intelligence Community" has all the proof you'll ever need. Oh.. of course they can't SHOW it to you.. just rest easy knowing they HAVE the proof.

I swear, its as if they are sitting in the White House going "let's see how friggin stupid the American public is.. let's see if we can get away with it again".

This whole situation stinks and I'm glad the UK has the sense to stay out of this...!!!

[arista]

[Z]

It angers me a little bit reading about the USA openly discussing how best to bomb Syria. Gun toting war lords, they've got to justify their military somehow...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

It angers me a little bit reading about the USA openly discussing how best to bomb Syria. Gun toting war lords, they've got to justify their military somehow...

Yes its Like a Criminal America President
with the numbers of General Public
not knowing if they are safe.


Also on Ch4News
the PM while still on Holiday just before the Vote
was Phoned by the President to get the Vote.

Fecking America
your plan got Destroyed
due to not enough votes who wanted the Deadly Attack.

[Nedusa]

Most Americans don't even know that they are living in chains, they talk about land of the free, fat chance they are free to work themselves into an early grave with no meaningful job security and no real welfare state they are at the mercy of their employers all the time. With only 2 weeks a year paid vacation the lowest in the developed world they can't even look forward to a decent holiday.

So they are free to do what ?? Travel abroad ? How with only 2 weeks a year most will go no where probably stay within their home state and remain fairly ignorant to the outside world. In fact 55% of all Americans don't even have passports..

Land of the free.... Pleeeeasee !!!

[GypsyGoth]

I get it, both of you hate america and americans. However I don't think you should take it out on them just because of bad choices that Obama makes. Isn't that like being annoyed at the syrian people for bad choices their leader is making?

[arista]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I get it, both of you hate america and americans. However I don't think you should take it out on them just because of bad choices that Obama makes. Isn't that like being annoyed at the syrian people for bad choices their leader is making?

No its the President and his Red Line.
Utter Fool he has become ,worldwide

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I get it, both of you hate america and americans. However I don't think you should take it out on them just because of bad choices that Obama makes. Isn't that like being annoyed at the syrian people for bad choices their leader is making?

No, I don't hate Americans on the contary I actually think Americans are in general friendlier than Europeans. Having spent time in the US what struck me the most was the slightly warped worldview they seem to have. They see the world very much through a rosy US prism. They seem to believe the hype re their nation being the absolute leader on so many fronts a vanguard for peace love, freedom and benevolence . They are to a degree politically naive and insular due lack of travel to foreign countries which would broaden their minds.

They do not see what their Govt does in their name ie 800 military bases around the world , over a Trillion dollars a year spent on defence, more than all the other nations of the world combined. The flouting of the UN, the ease with which they start one illegal war after the next to fulfill a corporate Military industrial elite's wishes . The blind allegiance to Israel and the shameful support of their murderous policies.

This is just a glimpse of what the US does but the general US public cannot see this instead seeing their politics wrapped in a bouquet of patriotism. They have no idea of the vast array of arrogant, self serving , immoral and sometimes illegal policies being pursued in their name.

I wish the general US public would wake up to all of this and reclaim their Govt and like their constitution states " by the people for the people"....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

No, I don't hate Americans on the contary I actually think Americans are in general friendlier than Europeans. Having spent time in the US what struck me the most was the slightly warped worldview they seem to have. They see the world very much through a rosy US prism. They seem to believe the hype re their nation being the absolute leader on so many fronts a vanguard for peace love, freedom and benevolence . They are to a degree politically naive and insular due lack of travel to foreign countries which would broaden their minds.

They do not see what their Govt does in their name ie 800 military bases around the world , over a Trillion dollars a year spent on defence, more than all the other nations of the world combined. The flouting of the UN, the ease with which they start one illegal war after the next to fulfill a corporate Military industrial elite's wishes . The blind allegiance to Israel and the shameful support of their murderous policies.

This is just a glimpse of what the US does but the general US public cannot see this instead seeing their politics wrapped in a bouquet of patriotism. They have no idea of the vast array of arrogant, self serving , immoral and sometimes illegal policies being pursued in their name.

I wish the general US public would wake up to all of this and reclaim their Govt and like their constitution states " by the people for the people"....

This is merely some americans , mainly those who actually think fox news is a news channel. believe it or not the democrats get a stronger jewish vote than the republicans, because a lot of jews think whats happening in Israel is a disgrace and are against some of the Zionist policies. I also find americans on the whole friendlier than English people. I don't like going to many parts of England any more. that's why I left and went to Wales. Much of England, south east especially is a cold hostile mostly overcrowded concrete jungle with no identity these days.

As for americans, they hate their government and politicians even more than we do, this is partly why they fight to keep it small. Their constitution is a mere 13 pages , the new European one is 580 pages. Ours is a farce. its almost impossible to actually do business in Europe in many sectors. look at fishing, agriculture, transport etc even Gordon brown couldn't get through the new constitution, its unreadable....

The US constitution grew from the grass roots up, its smart its concise too...ironically written by scots Englishmen and Welshmen, dislillusioned by the tyranny of the English monarchy. the US system is infinitely better imho

However the US system does need serious looking at too. as you rightly say many of their foreign policies are an absolute disgrace. However I would rather question what are we doing than merely blaming the superpower. why do so many American companies succeed and so many European ones fail? thus resulting in making them so rich and powerful in the first place?

we are slaves to a Neanderthal-like socialist system of waste government interference, erosion of civil liberties. more cctv here per head in UK than anywhere on earth....the endless stealth taxes , the endless new petty contradictory laws and rules and fines in UK and Europe. all designed to pilfer more cash for the freeloading useless corrupt money grabbing politicians

we need to sort our mess if were ever to even have a presence on the world stage.....we haven't even got aiscraft carriers. our soldiers buy kit off the yanks on the battlefield, we haven't even got a military hospital...we are a disgrace yet we feel the divine right to lecture other nations on ethics? why? our empire was the worst in history? our undemocratic monarchy is still in ownership of the country? what a joke. oh lets keep them to attract American tourists? is that the height of our lowly ambitions

yes bush was a psycho, yes the tea party are mental. But what are we? we don't even make decisions were poodles who follow them regardless
we are the ones who peddled the dodgy dossier and the lies about wmd's we set up Israel as it is? the great leader we could have had was john smith a class act and one who would have skillfully avoided the heinous nightmare of blairism

this government needs to terminate some of blairs 3000 petty laws, they need to back out of Europe too..we need more common sense less petty laws and rules and stupid targets. les sstealth taxes. tighter regulation on the corporate giants and far less regulation on the little man
oh and we should terminate vat too....that pernicious tax accelerated by the so called friend of business HA HA Maggie thatcher milk snatcher is simply a tax designed to stop small people expand their businesses and for corporate sto reclaim any losses. it is the single most immoral economic decision ever made by a british government

in the meantime, we need to find out exactly who carried out what crimes in Syria....probably through nato , though we also need to win public support in the UN and the EU. no one trusts the UN much and Russia has the veto, but it can be used as a useful tool to first win the argument, which the awful blair failed to do , hence the enemy became emboldened

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by the truth

This is merely some americans , mainly those who actually think fox news is a news channel. believe it or not the democrats get a stronger jewish vote than the republicans, because a lot of jews think whats happening in Israel is a disgrace and are against some of the Zionist policies. I also find americans on the whole friendlier than English people. I don't like going to many parts of England any more. that's why I left and went to Wales. Much of England, south east especially is a cold hostile mostly overcrowded concrete jungle with no identity these days.

As for americans, they hate their government and politicians even more than we do, this is partly why they fight to keep it small. Their constitution is a mere 13 pages , the new European one is 580 pages. Ours is a farce. its almost impossible to actually do business in Europe in many sectors. look at fishing, agriculture, transport etc even Gordon brown couldn't get through the new constitution, its unreadable....

The US constitution grew from the grass roots up, its smart its concise too...ironically written by scots Englishmen and Welshmen, dislillusioned by the tyranny of the English monarchy. the US system is infinitely better imho

However the US system does need serious looking at too. as you rightly say many of their foreign policies are an absolute disgrace. However I would rather question what are we doing than merely blaming the superpower. why do so many American companies succeed and so many European ones fail? thus resulting in making them so rich and powerful in the first place?

we are slaves to a Neanderthal-like socialist system of waste government interference, erosion of civil liberties. more cctv here per head in UK than anywhere on earth....the endless stealth taxes , the endless new petty contradictory laws and rules and fines in UK and Europe. all designed to pilfer more cash for the freeloading useless corrupt money grabbing politicians

we need to sort our mess if were ever to even have a presence on the world stage.....we haven't even got aiscraft carriers. our soldiers buy kit off the yanks on the battlefield, we haven't even got a military hospital...we are a disgrace yet we feel the divine right to lecture other nations on ethics? why? our empire was the worst in history? our undemocratic monarchy is still in ownership of the country? what a joke. oh lets keep them to attract American tourists? is that the height of our lowly ambitions

yes bush was a psycho, yes the tea party are mental. But what are we? we don't even make decisions were poodles who follow them regardless
we are the ones who peddled the dodgy dossier and the lies about wmd's we set up Israel as it is? the great leader we could have had was john smith a class act and one who would have skillfully avoided the heinous nightmare of blairism

this government needs to terminate some of blairs 3000 petty laws, they need to back out of Europe too..we need more common sense less petty laws and rules and stupid targets. les sstealth taxes. tighter regulation on the corporate giants and far less regulation on the little man
oh and we should terminate vat too....that pernicious tax accelerated by the so called friend of business HA HA Maggie thatcher milk snatcher is simply a tax designed to stop small people expand their businesses and for corporate sto reclaim any losses. it is the single most immoral economic decision ever made by a british government

in the meantime, we need to find out exactly who carried out what crimes in Syria....probably through nato , though we also need to win public support in the UN and the EU. no one trusts the UN much and Russia has the veto, but it can be used as a useful tool to first win the argument, which the awful blair failed to do , hence the enemy became emboldened

Thanks Truth.... Very well constructed post in reply to mine, you expanded on a lot of the points I made and added a fair amount of background context.

Thanks for taking the time to post this .....

[Nemo123]

I don't hate Americans. I spent 4 months there in my youth and they were thoroughly decent people for the most part.

[GypsyGoth]

Oh sorry, I was sure you disliked people from there.

[Nemo123]

They are very badly informed by their news services especially Fox News, but they for the most part are a decent lot. They ought to question more the veracity of what they're being told, given the history they have of being lied to. The military industrial complex is all too keen to get the US involved in wars because it means big bucks for them.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

They are very badly informed by their news services especially Fox News, but they for the most part are a decent lot. They ought to question more the veracity of what they're being told, given the history they have of being lied to. The military industrial complex is all too keen to get the US involved in wars because it means big bucks for them.

americans on average are nicer than british people
at least a person can become successful in America unlike the radical socialist European superstate, which consists of endless bankruptcy and endless erosions of civil rights

Europe is down the toilet, the gap between rich and poor is bigger in Europe now

[Donovan.]

Yeah, I was coming in here to read about Syria, but the 'ignorant Americans' comments are pretty hard to read. I don't mind the 'ignorant American government' comments, it's the distinction that makes me feel better about it.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Donovan81996

Yeah, I was coming in here to read about Syria, but the 'ignorant Americans' comments are pretty hard to read. I don't mind the 'ignorant American government' comments, it's the distinction that makes me feel better about it.

agreed this is more like ignorant English men

[arista]

Originally Posted by Donovan81996

Yeah, I was coming in here to read about Syria, but the 'ignorant Americans' comments are pretty hard to read. I don't mind the 'ignorant American government' comments, it's the distinction that makes me feel better about it.

Yes it is the Leaders only.

Not the Public of America
they are great.

[Nemo123]

The Project for a New American Century, or PNAC, seems to be the governing principle for the colonisation of the entire Middle East. Only Syria and Iran stand in the way of a complete set.