[Gstar]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

No she's not.

She is tho Greg and I'm not even trying to be rude, I didn't meet Stacey through friends or anyone on this forum so our relationship wasn't forced/influenced. I know and understand her personality and like I said it's been almost two years

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

again this was when she was 15, she's changed since then.

Evidence? The opinion of some pal on the site means little.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Jessus

I said many times already that she hasn't grown up.

But you can say that until the sun goes down, do you know her properly as of late? I've talked to her a few times and she's really pleasant now.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Evidence? The opinion of some pal on the site means little.

How can I provide evidence? She needs to be given a second chance on here to prove that herself.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I didn't see what she said but if you're constantly slagging her off and holding something she did years ago against her so it's not surprising she'd be hostile.

I am not constantly slagging her off, but I wasn't going to be friendly to her if the first thing I saw her say was directed towards me in a hostile manner.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

No there isn't. 15 is hardly a baby, unless you are suggesting that any of the veiws/actions posted on here by 15 year olds and younger should be totally ignored, she knew exactly what she was doing, and that is what is worrying.

You can't have it both ways, either you are old enough to be trusted on chat sites or you aren't. All the teens wouldl then have licence to say and do whatever they like, and then cry 'but I'm only a teenager' when held to account.

People make mistakes when they are young, that is common fact. Teenagers still have a lot to learn in life (as I do) and have growing up do. Some mature earlier than others but to close the door on someone who was 15 and immature is a bit harsh.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

How can I provide evidence? She needs to be given a second chance on here to prove that herself.

I definitely think the only thing that will show if she's really changed is giving her a trial run to show everyone she's changed now.

(also might boost Cher's promo... which is never a bad thing)

[Gstar]

Originally Posted by Weavelehem

I definitely think the only thing that will show if she's really changed is giving her a trial run to show everyone she's changed now.

(also might boost Cher's promo... which is never a bad thing)

It's a God given gift to praise and shade someone at the same time. You definitely have this gift

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Weavelehem

People make mistakes when they are young, that is common fact. Teenagers still have a lot to learn in life (as I do) and have growing up do. Some mature earlier than others but to close the door on someone who was 15 and immature is a bit harsh.

It is always easy for those who had not been on the receiving end of someone's nasty behaviour to be 'forgiving'. But at the end of the day - it is not their place. It is always different when it's you or yours.

We have all been 15, and yes we all do stupid things, but to abuse the trust of other young naive people putting photos of themselves on site, is inexusable. 15 year-olds are not that stupid, which is why I said she knew what she was doing. Youthful naiveity can be excused, youthful nastiness tends to be more of a character flaw.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

It is always easy for those who had not been on the receiving end of someone's nasty behaviour to be 'forgiving'. But at the end of the day - it is not their place. It is always different when it's you or yours.

We have all been 15, and yes we all do stupid things, but to abuse the trust of other young naive people putting photos of themselves on site, is inexusable. 15 year-olds are not that stupid, which is why I said she knew what she was doing. Youthful naiveity can be excused, youthful nastiness tends to be more of a character flaw.

I was on the recieving end of 'saved photos', I forgave her straight away as she didn't mean any harm or anything .

She wasn't being nasty, she was worried people would blackmail her, it was purely just a 'just incase defence' which she admitted was silly & she regrets it.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Germyle

imma need you to step back with that sarcasm, I don't even know who you are

So - do people you don't know not have a right to an opinion. Is there a hierachy then?

[Marc]

You've all taken this way off topic with insults and bickering. Please stop

[Black Dagger]

I had to force her to save my photos and make a MSN emoticon of me, that proves she's changed imo.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Shaun has been trolling Stacey for years, whilst she is unable to defend herself, and is still doing it on the forum, I've reported his blogs about other TiBB members where he mentions Stacey in almost everyone, (I.e. Black Dagger's member review - avoid - Stacey) and also on the 'TiBB's best member's ever thread (lol)'

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

lieing

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't even spell basic words?

Why would I lie? I honestly don't even care if Stacey exists on the planet, I went to the Razzies forum with the full intention of ignoring her existence, then she came along while I was talking and asked why I was there in an extremely rude manner, THEN I decided that she would never get a chance from me because I know she hasn't changed. I definitely don't want someone with that kind of toxic personality posting on TiBB anyway.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jessus

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't even spell basic words?

Why would I lie? I honestly don't even care if Stacey exists on the planet, I went to the Razzies forum with the full intention of ignoring her existence, then she came along while I was talking and asked why I was there in an extremely rude manner, THEN I decided that she would never get a chance from me because I know she hasn't changed. I definitely don't want someone with that kind of toxic personality posting on TiBB anyway.

and what about your friends on there who were throwing insults are Salman and MMI are they any better than Stacey?

[Marc]

Fine.

[James]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Since we're allowed polls on the razzies and threads about Scotts ban it's only fair Stacey should be allowed to be discussed openly

For people who don't know what happened with Stacey she was caught admitting to saving photos out of Meet The Members and was given a permaban for it. She was only 15 at the time and has been banned for coming up 3 years now, she's not only learnt from her mistake but also grown up since then. There's been other cases of members admitting to saving photos and even using photos to find and contact members family and friends which is above and beyond anything Stacey ever did yet no punishment was ever given to those people. On top of that there have been permabanned members in the past who have been allowed a second chance on the forum (Scott included)

so do you think it's fair that Stacey should still be punished and not given a chance to prove she's changed since then?

(I know the result of the poll alone isn't going to get her unbanned but it could atleast wake admin up and make them release they don't know EVERYTHING that's best for the forum and the members opinions should be valued too)

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

But Zee, the above is not even infraction worthy, so how on earth is what Stacey did even a reason to be banned if the above is completely allowed

I don't like the rules & modding inconsistencies at all, how some members can do what they like (literally) whilst others can't. It's just a fact really.

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

So... You're not allowed too save pictures from MTM
But you are allowed too save pictures from MTM of pictures of members in their school uniform & then research that school uniform, find out what School that member goes too, contact the school about that member & then contact that members cousin's & sibling's.

Oh wait... That doesn't make sense

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

If you're good friends with a load of mods you won't get punished, thats my theory tbh

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

Of course she should, mods have evidence of members doing much worse than what Stacey did, as well as those members being 18+. Any mod who says no is being hypocritical & bending the rules for other members (adults) & punishing a then teenager for doing less of what others have done

I wish you would stop, on here and elsewhere, misrepresenting staff decisions, and stop making these half-baked comparisons. As usual you only give half the story.

The comparison you make with the other situation is way off. That was provoked to some extent by someone lying about his identity to the whole forum, using a fake picture, and even, from what has been reported, planning to meet someone. In my opinion those facts mitigate what the other person (I am told) did, as stupid as it was.

What Stacey did was more than just saving pictures posted on the forum as the quoted posts above claim - she had a folder for virtually every active member on the forum, which the forum found out about when she then shared a screenshot with someone else. Not just one or two pictures taken from the Meet the Members thread on this forum, but pictures taken from members' social networking and image account profiles - of people who have never posted pictures on the forum or put a link up to their Facebook or other profiles - and also saved images from group webcam chats.

It was a big invasion of privacy. It involved lots of people - even ones have been on the site from way back and never get into dramas or involved in cliques or anything like that.

How can she be unbanned when so many people were creeped out by it? Even people who were active on the forum then but aren't now - what if they returned and saw that she was back posting. What kind of message does that send out?

Some of you don't seem to understand the harm stuff like this can cause to people.

And I don't understand why this should be subject to a forum poll. A lot of people on here now weren't on the forum when she got banned, or wouldn't have been aware of what happened.

The other point people seem to be perpetuating is that members are getting banned for one incident when in fact there has been an accumulation of incidents, and have been causing lots of trouble and never seem to change.

I'll leave this topic open for a little while longer if anyone wants to respond, and then close it again and delete it, as these topics always result in more division and drama being caused.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by James

I wish you would stop, on here and elsewhere, misrepresenting staff decisions, and stop making these half-baked comparisons. As usual you only give half the story.

The comparison you make with the other situation is way off. That was provoked to some extent by someone lying about his identity to the whole forum, using a fake picture, and even, from what has been reported, planning to meet someone. In my opinion those facts mitigate what the other person (I am told) did, as stupid as it was.

What Stacey did was more than just saving pictures posted on the forum as the quoted posts above claim - she had a folder for virtually every active member on the forum, which the forum found out about when she then shared a screenshot with someone else. Not just one or two pictures taken from the Meet the Members thread on this forum, but pictures taken from members' social networking and image account profiles - of people who have never posted pictures on the forum or put a link up to their Facebook or other profiles - and also saved images from group webcam chats.

It was a big invasion of privacy. It involved lots of people - even ones have been on the site from way back and never get into dramas or involved in cliques or anything like that.

How can she be unbanned when so many people were creeped out by it? Even people who were active on the forum then but aren't now - what if they returned and saw that she was back posting. What kind of message does that send out?

Some of you don't seem to understand the harm stuff like this can cause to people.

And I don't understand why this should be subject to a forum poll. A lot of people on here now weren't on the forum when she got banned, or wouldn't have been aware of what happened.

The other point people seem to be perpetuating is that members are getting banned for one incident when in fact there has been an accumulation of incidents, and have been causing lots of trouble and never seem to change.

I'll leave this topic open for a little while longer if anyone wants to respond, and then close it again and delete it, as these topics always result in more division and drama being caused.

Thank you for the clarification.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

We agree on something! I think she has learnt from this and others who have been permabanned have been given a second chance, she never has and unlike a lot of permabans has not made multi after multi which works in her favour.

Also to use Jessica (Sorry Jess) as reference some members do change for the better. Jess used to be a massive troll and spammer on here a few years back but she has completely calmed down and now is a great member to have on here.

Yes this has been my main point when talking about this in admin tbh. The ONLY permabanned member as far as I am aware that as never made a multi, or sent loads of mails abusing us, and just accepted the ban.

I wouldn't be against stacey coming back on a kinda trial...as she was quite obnoxious back then (asides from he photo thing) but sometimes she did actually contribute to the forum, and I agree that theres a massive diference between being 15 and 18.

However, a lot of people were really creeped out by what she did. I'm not a very private person so it never bothered me really, but I know some others are. The worst thing bout the whole thing (for me anyway) was the hunting down members facebook pages and saving photos from there too, not just the meet the members thread. Her ban has just been trivialised over the years I think, and made out to be it was all about MTM...and it could be arged that people who post in MTM arent private as they put the photo there for all to see..which I kinda get. BUT, getting photos of people who have never posted in there is totally wrong.

So basically, I am both for and against her coming back, so I'm quite useless

[Gstar]

Ok, this needs to be said before the thread gets deleted

Jessica, you always have to be on the admins/mods side, sometimes a little bit too much, I think you are trying too hard to try and prove something or even get a tibb staff member job. (im not even being rude im just reading so let me continue), I was gonna PM you all of this but the post you just did wasn't really needed and it's a bit of a "haha" to Jordan.

Even when Salman was banned last week you were going on as if you were a tibb staff member and giving your opinions on his ban when nobody asked for it.

That is all

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Virgin Mary

Yeah, but surely if you unban one member, others are entitled to the same?

And this is another problem. Where does it end. I mean, even now we have the (wrong, admittedly) decision to overturn thomas' ban thrown at us when people are wanting their friends back.

[Pete.]

I think that we are stupid to argue about something out of our control -- the mods and admins are the only people who can possibly do anything about this and they have made their position clear. This thread and others are annoying and should be gone quickly

[Marsh.]

No. Keep the stalkers out.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And this is another problem. Where does it end. I mean, even now we have the (wrong, admittedly) decision to overturn thomas' ban thrown at us when people are wanting their friends back.

Which is why I was so vehemently against it at the time, I knew that would be the end result when it inevitably went wrong