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Livia · 04-01-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly dont know

I was only a member for a few weeks before I was made a mod so I dont really know what its like to not be one

Also, I may be the nosy one ben referred to earlier, a few times I have thought of stepping down, then a mix of members/mods asking me not to, and the thought of not being able to see deleted arguements and stuff made me change my mind

Yes, I do have to admire your honesty LOL...

I think it makes the mods job harder as the rules are quite wordy, one seems to cancel out another, they're mostly up for conjecture and there's no appeal anymore. The rules could be edited down to a set of bullet points really. I think if there was a review - not by mods or members, by admin - and a proper system of appeal was set, it would make the mods' job clearer, there'd be fewer arguments over warnings and infractions and less abuse of the appeals system. Just my personal opinion of course...

Vicky. · 04-01-2014, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, I do have to admire your honesty LOL...

I think it makes the mods job harder as the rules are quite wordy, one seems to cancel out another, they're mostly up for conjecture and there's no appeal anymore. The rules could be edited down to a set of bullet points really. I think if there was a review - not by mods or members, by admin - and a proper system of appeal was set, it would make the mods' job clearer, there'd be fewer arguments over warnings and infractions and less abuse of the appeals system. Just my personal opinion of course...

Been asking for a while for a change in the system but it doesnt seem like its happening. Would make everything so much easier, and more clear for members too. I know the rules are hard to understand at times. And it doesn't really help that there are only set infractions for certain rulebreaks, for others we have to use our discretion, which is where the 'bias' thing comes in as some mods ARE harsher than others..an if someone gets an infraction from one person for the same thing that someone else got one from someone else..well they could end up with totally different amounts, if that makes sense :S

Appeals was absolutely perfect (the appeals section was actually my idea to begin with) to begin with, until people started going there for EVERY little thing. I think it would probably have been better to just ban certain users from the section than remove it totally, but even doing that would have caused world war 3

MeMyselfAndI · 04-01-2014, 09:27 PM

Yes, some mods have broken many rules & enjoy winding up members

fingers · 04-01-2014, 09:38 PM

There is a a very real problem with interpretation of rules and with personal prejudices on this Forum and it really should be clarified by the Administration even if it means posting clear and unequivocal RULES of conduct and punishments for breaches thereof.

Z · 04-01-2014, 09:42 PM

Yeah the infraction system leaves a lot of margin for different interpretations, it's not necessarily flawed, it's just... difficult to make it more comprehensive

Livia · 04-01-2014, 09:42 PM

I think - again , just my own opinion - the appeals process should be reinstated and run like this: one plea of mitigation, with a word limit, to be considered by admin. No other dialogue to be entered into, Admin's decision is final... and your ban/infraction can be increased or decreased.

Your home may be repossessed if you do not keep up repayments, terms and conditions apply.

Okay, not the last bit.

Ammi · 04-01-2014, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I think - again , just my own opinion - the appeals process should be reinstated and run like this: one plea of mitigation, with a word limit, to be considered by admin. No other dialogue to be entered into, Admin's decision is final... and your ban/infraction can be increased or decreased.

Your home may be repossessed if you do not keep up repayments, terms and conditions apply.

Okay, not the last bit.

..oh, there's a little bit of a flaw right there..what would the limit be, roughly..to the nearest thousand..?...

Livia · 04-01-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..oh, there's a little bit of a flaw right there..what would the limit be, roughly..to the nearest thousand..?...

500 words max. But yes... I see the flaw LOL...

Ammi · 04-01-2014, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

500 words max. But yes... I see the flaw LOL...

..just a little ..('special' exceptions will apply..)..should do it I think...

Livia · 04-01-2014, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin

Tbh, the last time the rules were updated were when I did them last and that was probably a good couple years back. They could probably do with a review/update soon just so everybody can reread them and so that everybody mods,admin and members are all on the same page.

That's true Ben... Edit them down too. As a writer you know people switch off when stuff's wordy. The bones are all there though. I was warned for something and told I was supposed to read and understand the rules, and yet what my warning was over appeared nowhere in the rules. It's maddening! It would be good on all sides if they were sharpened up a bit.

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..just a little ..('special' exceptions will apply..)..should do it I think...

No dots allowed in appeals either..............................

Benjamin · 04-01-2014, 09:47 PM

Tbh, the last time the rules were updated were when I did them last and that was probably a good couple years back. They could probably do with a review/update soon just so everybody can reread them and so that everybody mods,admin and members are all on the same page.

fingers · 04-01-2014, 09:51 PM

Just print the rules and penalties and STICK to them.

Benjamin · 04-01-2014, 10:01 PM

I also would like to see things more consistent. Sorry to bring up my infraction from the other day but I got infracted straightaway, not even a warning, despite the fact the member I was referring to was okay with it and the fact I have never had anything other than an infraction that I did deserve for being rude intentionally. I didn;t even know who to query over that as it seemed no mods/admin were online at the time (because I imagine they were appearing offline, something that I don;t think mods should do)

I know mods hating hearing this, but not being one anymore it does sometimes come across very inconsistent depending on who handles it.