[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

She could easily remove herself and that person from the situation. Fact is, she loves an audience who will clap her on.

I think the point is that she doesn't care. Just how she struggles to see a line she shouldn't cross in arguments getting her the warnings. She just doesn't give a damn, that's part of her problem.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think the point is that she doesn't care. Just how she struggles to see a line she shouldn't cross in arguments getting her the warnings. She just doesn't give a damn, that's part of her problem.

Yeah, she's no doubt had a few as well, that's when her over-confidence really kicks in..

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think the point is that she doesn't care. Just how she struggles to see a line she shouldn't cross in arguments getting her the warnings. She just doesn't give a damn, that's part of her problem.

I like that she doesn't hold back.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I like that she doesn't hold back.

There's not holding back, and then there's Helen. I don't always hold back and I can speak my mind easily, doesn't mean that I feel the need to be an absolute ***** about it every single time.

[clao]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Exactly what I was thinking, Marcus was given a warning for mimicking Sree was he not?

and with all the warnings helen has already had....... surely she should now be booted out

[rusticgal]

The difference is Helen can say all she likes because she is 'safe'.... I support Ashleigh because she hasn't been a sheep. She may not say it to Helens face but may have done if she had been in Helens position...either way Helen is a vile tramp and I cannot wait for her eviction...having said that I am glad she is in there because she represents the vilest of people and at the end of the day Ashleigh is the only one who speaks the public perception of the mouthy bitch.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Jake.

There's not holding back, and then there's Helen. I don't always hold back and I can speak my mind easily, doesn't mean that I feel the need to be an absolute ***** about it every single time.

Precisely Jake...

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

The difference is Helen can say all she likes because she is 'safe'.... I support Ashleigh because she hasn't been a sheep. She may not say it to Helens face but may have done if she had been in Helens position...either way Helen is a vile tramp and I cannot wait for her eviction...having said that I am glad she is in there because she represents the vilest of people and at the end of the day Ashleigh is the only one who speaks the public perception of the mouthy bitch.

Good point. She can't be nominated and can't be voted out. No wonder she's a mouthy aggressive gob****e.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Boreeeeeeee offffffffff!!!!!!!!!

Great contribution

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Nope. Ashleigh hasn't bullied anyone.

She's bitched (like we all do on here every day) big difference.

I've acknowledged that there is a difference, but the only one is the audience they both have.

Was her telling blatant lies about Kim and Helen BEHIND THEIR BACK just bitching?

Was her hatching a plan to blind side Helen just bitching?

No, they were the actions of a devious, nasty little cow

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Nope. Ashleigh hasn't bullied anyone.

She's bitched (like we all do on here every day) big difference.

She hasn't bullied anyone to their face

But bad mouthing someone whether it is to their face or plotting behind their back are both bullying. Infact doing it behind someones back is a lot worse.

Just because you perceive Helen as a bully it doesnt make it ok to bully her. Which is exactly what has happened. Difference is, Helen doesnt care and doesnt act like a big baby about it.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Verbal

She hasn't bullied anyone to their face

bully1
Line breaks: bully
Pronunciation: /ˈbʊli /
NOUN (plural bullies)

A person who uses strength or influence to harm or intimidate those who are weaker:

Ashleigh has really gone after the weak in there. Helen and Ash - the two gang leaders.

But bad mouthing someone whether it is to their face or plotting behind their back are both bullying. Infact doing it behind someones back is a lot worse.

What a load of bollocks. She gets her frustration off her chest by having a bitch about the others. Something we all do in life. What she did with Ash was play the game and get him up for eviction. She didn't try to isolate him from the rest of the house nor has she made particularly personal remarks about him. She just thinks he's an asshole. And he is.

Just because you perceive Helen as a bully it doesnt make it ok to bully her. Which is exactly what has happened. Difference is, Helen doesnt care and doesnt act like a big baby about it.

No, it has not happened. The logic is absurd. Helen has the support of the majority of people in that house. She is not in a vulnerable position, on the contrary, she is in the most powerful position in the house. She has both a free pass to the final and half of the men, the biggest men, hanging on to her every word. Just look at how violently she turned against Winston for actually daring to not bend to her will. She wanted a witch hunt and she wanted every man in that house on her side as she did it.

As for Helen not acting like a big baby. This woman screams abuse in people's faces for doing next to nothing or when they dare to disagree with something she's doing. She's the biggest child in there by some distance.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Verbal

I've acknowledged that there is a difference, but the only one is the audience they both have.

Was her telling blatant lies about Kim and Helen BEHIND THEIR BACK just bitching?

Was her hatching a plan to blind side Helen just bitching?

No, they were the actions of a devious, nasty little cow

No, it was called playing the game. Because that's what the whole thing is.. a gameshow.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Jake.

No, it was called playing the game. Because that's what the whole thing is.. a gameshow.

Yes, and the alliance Helen has made with Ash, Marlon, Steven, Kimberly is part of that game. They have got themselves as a group into a dominant position and Ashleigh needed to do something to both take one of them out and also to save someone she was close to.

[Verbal]

So as long as Ashleigh lies and bitches its ok, but Helen does it and she is the spawn of the devil

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Verbal

So as long as Ashleigh lies and bitches its ok, but Helen does it and she is the spawn of the devil

Nope. Helen has gone far further than that. And you know it. She has insulted people's looks, attempted to isolate others, abused the powerful position she's in, been aggressive to the point that it looks like something violent could happen and in general just been a deeply unpleasant person. She seems to think, like you, that there's some double standard, and that they attack her because she's got a shrieking voice. The truth that she's just 10 times more odious than anyone else in there is something she cannot admit to herself. And one of the reasons she can't is because of the ****ing drips in there who hang on to her every word.

[Ammi]

..Helen doesn't just bitch though, she's quite the bully and that's on a whole new level..I know you don't see that Verbal and are equating them as the same thing so yeah, it's an agree to differ thing because I will never see the Helen that you do...but I guess that's all in the BB fan game, yeah...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Nope. Helen has gone far further than that. And you know it. She has insulted people's looks, attempted to isolate others, abused the powerful position she's in, been aggressive to the point that it looks like something violent could happen and in general just been a deeply unpleasant person. She seems to think, like you, that there's some double standard, and that they attack her because she's got a shrieking voice. The truth that she's just 10 times more odious than anyone else in there is something she cannot admit to herself. And one of the reasons she can't is because of the ****ing drips in there who hang on to her every word.

..look at you with your quick typing and getting there first.....but yeah, basically what you said....

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Nope. Helen has gone far further than that. And you know it. She has insulted people's looks, attempted to isolate others, abused the powerful position she's in, been aggressive to the point that it looks like something violent could happen and in general just been a deeply unpleasant person. She seems to think, like you, that there's some double standard, and that they attack her because she's got a shrieking voice. The truth that she's just 10 times more odious than anyone else in there is something she cannot admit to herself. And one of the reasons she can't is because of the ****ing drips in there who hang on to her every word.

So Ashleigh doesn't insult people's looks? Doesn't try to isolate other? She's not been aggressive? Ashleigh's been a ray of sunshine?

Do you even watch the show, or do you turn the sound down and just swoon over 'the 18 year old' ?

Youtube video

There are dozens of examples, I just really can't be bothered to go through them all.

I had to turn the sound right up cos the snidey little cow was just whispering most of the time, because she hasn't got the bottle to voice her opinions to anyone other than her lap dog, Danielle.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

bully1
Line breaks: bully
Pronunciation: /ˈbʊli /
NOUN (plural bullies)

A person who uses strength or influence to harm or intimidate those who are weaker:

Ashleigh has really gone after the weak in there. Helen and Ash - the two gang leaders.




What a load of bollocks. She gets her frustration off her chest by having a bitch about the others. Something we all do in life. What she did with Ash was play the game and get him up for eviction. She didn't try to isolate him from the rest of the house nor has she made particularly personal remarks about him. She just thinks he's an asshole. And he is.



No, it has not happened. The logic is absurd. Helen has the support of the majority of people in that house. She is not in a vulnerable position, on the contrary, she is in the most powerful position in the house. She has both a free pass to the final and half of the men, the biggest men, hanging on to her every word. Just look at how violently she turned against Winston for actually daring to not bend to her will. She wanted a witch hunt and she wanted every man in that house on her side as she did it.

As for Helen not acting like a big baby. This woman screams abuse in people's faces for doing next to nothing or when they dare to disagree with something she's doing. She's the biggest child in there by some distance.

I know what bully means, thanks. I can't believe you had to look that up and copy and paste it

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Verbal

I've acknowledged that there is a difference, but the only one is the audience they both have.

Was her telling blatant lies about Kim and Helen BEHIND THEIR BACK just bitching?

Was her hatching a plan to blind side Helen just bitching?

No, they were the actions of a devious, nasty little cow

You think gameplaying is bitching?

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by MrWong

You think gameplaying is bitching?

The way she goes about it, yes 100%

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Verbal

She hasn't bullied anyone to their face

But bad mouthing someone whether it is to their face or plotting behind their back are both bullying. Infact doing it behind someones back is a lot worse.

Just because you perceive Helen as a bully it doesnt make it ok to bully her. Which is exactly what has happened. Difference is, Helen doesnt care and doesnt act like a big baby about it.

We're bad mouthing the housemates everyday behind their backs. Is that bullying? Plotting to get someone evicted isn't bullying either.

Bullying is what Helen has been warned twice for.

Helen acted like a big baby when she threw a tantrum over not being invited to a party.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Verbal

So Ashleigh doesn't insult people's looks? Doesn't try to isolate other? She's not been aggressive? Ashleigh's been a ray of sunshine?

No, she's not been particularly aggressive. And if you think she has been compared to what Helen has done with Danielle, Matthew and now her, then you're blind and deaf.

Do you even watch the show, or do you turn the sound down and just swoon over 'the 18 year old' ?

Youtube video

There are dozens of examples, I just really can't be bothered to go through them all.

She lists the people she'd like to see go and the work Helen has had done on herself. She says Marlon's feet disgust her. Hardly a vicious insult.

I had to turn the sound right up cos the snidey little cow was just whispering most of the time, because she hasn't got the bottle to voice her opinions to anyone other than her lap dog, Danielle.

Yeah, you see, she's living in a house with them. Telling people exactly what you think of them when you have to wake up with them there the next day is only likely to be unpleasant for you and unpleasant for everyone else.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Nope. Helen has gone far further than that. And you know it. She has insulted people's looks, attempted to isolate others, abused the powerful position she's in, been aggressive to the point that it looks like something violent could happen and in general just been a deeply unpleasant person. She seems to think, like you, that there's some double standard, and that they attack her because she's got a shrieking voice. The truth that she's just 10 times more odious than anyone else in there is something she cannot admit to herself. And one of the reasons she can't is because of the ****ing drips in there who hang on to her every word.

Well said...