[Headie]

I have no problem with people talking about Toya's bitterness, but all the people ignoring the racist remarks and just focusing on Toya's shade at Helen is what bothers me. You can't just act like it doesn't exist and that Toya is 'such a raging bitter bitch xoxo' etc. You need to acknowledge both and acknowledge the fact that both are wrong, but the racism is far worse than Toya's bitterness.

[Pete.]

Toya's rage has probably stemmed from the disgusting abuse she's received

[Jack_]

The problem with this thread and the reason for my own comment is that people are beginning to comment on Toya's 'bitterness' and totally ignoring the fact she's receiving racist abuse. Clearly the majority of people don't care because they don't like Toya, and that's disgusting.

[Bluerang1]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The problem with this thread and the reason for my own comment is that people are beginning to comment on Toya's 'bitterness' and totally ignoring the fact she's receiving racist abuse. Clearly the majority of people don't care because they don't like Toya, and that's disgusting.

Exactly and it's frustrating. Just because you don't like an housemate doesn't mean you have to bring up negatives about them and any given point.

I find it better to just not talk about housemates you don't like and focus on the ones you support.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The problem with this thread and the reason for my own comment is that people are beginning to comment on Toya's 'bitterness' and totally ignoring the fact she's receiving racist abuse. Clearly the majority of people don't care because they don't like Toya, and that's disgusting.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The problem with this thread and the reason for my own comment is that people are beginning to comment on Toya's 'bitterness' and totally ignoring the fact she's receiving racist abuse. Clearly the majority of people don't care because they don't like Toya, and that's disgusting.

Basically what I just said, 100% agree with this

Interesting people are trying to shift the blame on to me for having two topics in one thread when the whole reasons arguments have arisen in this thread is because people have chosen to focus on the lesser of the topics

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Basically what I just said, 100% agree with this

Interesting people are trying to shift the blame on to me for having two topics in one thread when the whole reasons arguments have arisen in this thread is because people have chosen to focus on the lesser of the topics

No one is even trying to blame you at all just point out where some posters confusion is coming from..

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Josy

No one is even trying to blame you at all just point out where some posters confusion is coming from..

There shouldn't be any confusion at all. If a thread has two topics then talk about BOTH topics or don't post at all. Simple really

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Hayden

There shouldn't be any confusion at all. If a thread has two topics then talk about BOTH topics or don't post at all. Simple really

Most people have done but then some are getting confused asking why people are bringing up toyas bitterness

[Pete.]

People be focussing on the things that can help increase their hatred of a housemate just like in that Matthew thread

[Bluerang1]

You said the racism is too far "BUT". But what? What compares to racism? Oh yeah butter obsession :|

[Amy Jade]

Just because people don't comment on the racism doesn't mean they don't care. Of course it is hideous, nobody should be judged by the colour of their skin.

But the fact remains this topic is NOT just about the tweets she received but the ones she sent out too and because of that people can choose to comment on either.

[Bluerang1]

I don't even know why I'm directing my posts at one person when I disagree with numerous in this thread.

Also, we all felt bad for Colleen, we all think she's been a classy lady in this whole ordeal. How come when Toya says it now she's bitter? Does that mean we're all bitter?

[waylander1973]

How about we let the police deal with this.

Toya in her tweets since she left have not be nice in general nor was her behavior in the house was - christopher for example.

[Brother Leon]

Honestly the racism isn't even surprising. It's twitter. Look at any semi famous black person's Mentions or Youtube comments and it's a madness. Good on her for reporting it, but nothing will come from it.


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On the other topic, she does need to stop with the bullying accusations considering her own conduct and actions in the House and on twitter. Didn't she brag about selling her Ex BFs stuff on Ebay too? Might not be equal to the whole Rooney thing, but it's still classless action.

[Headie]

^It's Big Brother related, so obviously it's going to be discussed on a Big Brother discussion forum.

[bots]

I think we are simply not in a position to judge fully what is going on. Plenty of evidence of racial abuse, let the police deal with that.

No evidence that I have seen of Helen or any other housemate involved in that abuse.

Plenty of abuse being sent out by the Toya trio to Helen and her supporters, again, its up to the police to determine if that is an offense or not

[jet]

On the subject of Helen's involvement with Wayne Rooney - I don't give a rats ass about him, but I do feel for Collen and her young family.
It shows what kind of person Helen is that she was willing to let the whole thing be raked up again by going into the BB house in the first place. She didn't chose to go in last year, or next year - oh no - she chose to go in during the World Cup year so she would get maximum publicity and media coverage. She didn't care that it would cause fresh hurt to Colleen. She used the notoriety the story gave her and flaunted it at the expense of a young innocent family.
Now she is saying "I want to put it behind me" - while flaunting it with a front page spread and interview with the Daily Star.
What a self seeking, uncaring bitch. I detest her kind.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jet

On the subject of Helen's involvement with Wayne Rooney - I don't give a rats ass about him, but I do feel for Collen and her young family.
It shows what kind of person Helen is that she was willing to let the whole thing be raked up again by going into the BB house in the first place. She didn't chose to go in last year, or next year - oh no - she chose to go in during the World Cup year so she would get maximum publicity and media coverage. She didn't care that it would cause fresh hurt to Colleen. She used the notoriety the story gave her and flaunted it at the expense of a young innocent family.
Now she is saying "I want to put it behind me" - while flaunting it with a front page spread and interview with the Daily Star.
What a self seeking, uncaring bitch. I detest her kind.

This tbh.Plain nasty.Not surprising though.Journey my arse.

[user104658]

Wait... wait..... .............. wwwait....

"Coleen epitomises class, dignity and integrity."

...Coleen Rooney???????? I knew there was a reason I didn't like Toya when she was in the house. Girl is bat**** crazy

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The problem with this thread and the reason for my own comment is that people are beginning to comment on Toya's 'bitterness' and totally ignoring the fact she's receiving racist abuse. Clearly the majority of people don't care because they don't like Toya, and that's disgusting.

Originally Posted by Hayden

Basically what I just said, 100% agree with this

Interesting people are trying to shift the blame on to me for having two topics in one thread when the whole reasons arguments have arisen in this thread is because people have chosen to focus on the lesser of the topics

..I've just seen that there are two similar threads ..one solely on the racist tweets Toya received and this one with racist tweets and 'bitterness' ones from Toya herself..?..both of them in the same thread/OP would maybe cause confusion and that in itself is interesting/almost like an 'experiment' in that if 'bitterness' tweets from a housemate were posted on a BB forum alongside serious racist ones then which would the focus be on..?....hmmmmmm....

...Jack I know you don't believe there was any 'bullying' in the house but there was perceived bullying from some public, the media and BB themselves hence warnings were given...and I think what's always worried me is what is perceived as a 'victim' when it comes to 'pack behaviour'...Ashleigh was 'spiteful/sneaky/bitchy/spoilt brat'...not my words but just perceptions and opinions...so she 'deserved' that pack behaviour ...so the two things in a way for me have similarities to what you say in that if a person is actively disliked, can also contribute to some altercations etc in the case of Helen/Ashleigh/Matthew/Marlon and other instances in the house then does that then take away empathy with more serious things/issues...


...with livefeed in Channel 4 BB, things were said/done that would bring 'hate' to the housemates and the nature of livefeed couldn't avoid that but there was care and psych advise given to the housemates before they were evicted and the extent of that for each individual may have been based on what BB felt their public reactions would be and advise to prepare for it..?..and that's as it should be as these housemates have exposed themselves to the public for judgement and BB wouldn't exist without them....I'm not sure that still happens though with Channel 5/I don't think I've heard a housemate mention it but what's worse though than the lack of that..(if it is lacking..)..it that we only now have HLs which means that BB are not only seeming less caring in their duty of care in a show like this but are actually 'promoting' and aiding this 'hate' with what they choose to show and manipulate....and then basically 'throwing to the wolves' and the internet trolls....

[the truth]

what a dreadful talentless nasty loud mouthed attention sekeing little bore she is...shes mocking peoples education or lack of? isnt that discrimination too?

[Pete.]

Bet Toya would have a field day when she knows who the actor is