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Isnt making fake racism claims stooping low not giving valid reasons to why she was evicted?
nnn you clearly don't understand the point of this thread
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nnn you clearly don't understand the point of this thread
I do and so far every point made in relation to racism is false
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Brian Belo won
Gina survived so many evictions
Giving two examples of black people doing well doesn't mean that the public isn't racist ever. Racism isn't viewed in terms of all or nothing.

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Also the odds of a black female being evicted are increased when BB cast 1/2 black females out of 16 - 20 housemates. Gina has survived to the final as did Makosi, the rest tbh were not that great as housemates.

Going back to Mel in BB1 she was hated because she flirted with men in the house that had girlfriends, not because of her skin colour.
This was already brought up, but Claire was flirting with Craig despite the fact that she had a boyfriend of ELEVEN YEARS, yet their relationship was seen Sam endearing.

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yeah its definitely something I picked up on and was a big factor in making me stop watching BBUK tbh.

BB11 is a prime example of this. Every week when a black woman was up for eviction they went home despite them being up against much, much worse personalities.
mhmm preach the righteous truth LJ. Especially this week with Adjoa, she was rather inoffensive and funny yet she received a lot of the negative answers in the public opinion task (despite the public having nothing to base that stuff off of!) and was booed to death as got OFF OFF OFF chants for an interview that was nothing out of the ordinary. BBUK has always been a show about racism and I'm shocked that so many people are doing mental gymnastics to deny that.
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The best thread I have seen on here. Every single point is spot on! Racism is more apparent this series than it has ever been.
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First off, terrific post by Pete, I love discussions like this brought to the table.

I actually agree with Pete entirely. People of color, in particular women of color face the hardest time in Big Brother - through casting, in the house and through the way in which the public perceive them.

In terms of casting, the type-casting we get is ridiculous. The amount of 'sassy'/'feisty' black women we get, to begin with, shows how casting is limiting that group of people to such a small bracket of personality. It's the same with gay people. I can't remember the last gay person who defied stereotypes of flamboyance being cast into the house. Casting in a similar way every year, is inevitably going to influence those housemates' experience in the house, as the public already assume things about housemates, on the basis of their race, gender or sexuality. I'd say the issue of casting with Asian women is even worse. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe Deana was the only Asian women cast over the course of BB on channel 5?

Next, we get to how they're treated in the house. Let's begin with Deana and her relationship with Conor, Ashleigh etc. They all despised her, yet could never explain why. Let's look at Hira - she had an entirely harmless VT, yet was boo'ed into the house quite badly. Or perhaps let's look at BBlock dynamics in BB9 - A ginger, an Asian woman, a Welsh woman, and two black men. The other side of the house that excluded them earlier on? Jennifer, Bex, Luke, Dale, Dennis were all white, British people. Yes Sylvia was also part of that group but then who out of them was evicted first? The woman of color. Out of Bblock who managed to win? The white woman. Yes, you could argue that it was entirely due to personality but i'm going to disagree here.

I think consciously, yes people evict people on Big Brother because they are not fond of their personality. However, it's the subconscious institutional racism that is most powerful to me, in this case. Structures of society have built a hierarchy largely divided up by gender and ethnicity. As a result, unfortunately there is a subconscious superiority associated with white people on Big Brother, allowing them to behave in the same way as people of color, with fewer negative consequences. As much as we like to say racism is a thing of the past, it's very much not so. Subconscious racism such as institutional racism is the hardest form of racism to tackle, as it's far less obvious. The fact that white males constitute of the majority of winners exemplifies that in a pretty clear way.

Anyways, to finish off, I think the Big Brother experience is considerably more difficult for people of color (particularly women, but not exclusively) as they face conscious as well as subconscious discrimination on three different levels - casting, house dynamics and public perception.
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First off, terrific post by Pete, I love discussions like this brought to the table.

I actually agree with Pete entirely. People of color, in particular women of color face the hardest time in Big Brother - through casting, in the house and through the way in which the public perceive them.

In terms of casting, the type-casting we get is ridiculous. The amount of 'sassy'/'feisty' black women we get, to begin with, shows how casting is limiting that group of people to such a small bracket of personality. It's the same with gay people. I can't remember the last gay person who defied stereotypes of flamboyance being cast into the house. Casting in a similar way every year, is inevitably going to influence those housemates' experience in the house, as the public already assume things about housemates, on the basis of their race, gender or sexuality. I'd say the issue of casting with Asian women is even worse. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe Deana was the only Asian women cast over the course of BB on channel 5?

Next, we get to how they're treated in the house. Let's begin with Deana and her relationship with Conor, Ashleigh etc. They all despised her, yet could never explain why. Let's look at Hira - she had an entirely harmless VT, yet was boo'ed into the house quite badly. Or perhaps let's look at BBlock dynamics in BB9 - A ginger, an Asian woman, a Welsh woman, and two black men. The other side of the house that excluded them earlier on? Jennifer, Bex, Luke, Dale, Dennis were all white, British people. Yes Sylvia was also part of that group but then who out of them was evicted first? The woman of color. Out of Bblock who managed to win? The white woman. Yes, you could argue that it was entirely due to personality but i'm going to disagree here.

I think consciously, yes people evict people on Big Brother because they are not fond of their personality. However, it's the subconscious institutional racism that is most powerful to me, in this case. Structures of society have built a hierarchy largely divided up by gender and ethnicity. As a result, unfortunately there is a subconscious superiority associated with white people on Big Brother, allowing them to behave in the same way as people of color, with fewer negative consequences. As much as we like to say racism is a thing of the past, it's very much not so. Subconscious racism such as institutional racism is the hardest form of racism to tackle, as it's far less obvious. The fact that white males constitute of the majority of winners exemplifies that in a pretty clear way.

Anyways, to finish off, I think the Big Brother experience is considerably more difficult for people of color (particularly women, but not exclusively) as they face conscious as well as subconscious discrimination on three different levels - casting, house dynamics and public perception.
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Thanks man And thanks to Pete for starting off this really productive discussion!
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This reminds of BBCAN when Naeha was targeted just for looking like Neda
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This reminds of BBCAN when Naeha was targeted just for looking like Neda
Oh absolutely. Naeha was an intelligent, independent woman of color. Of course that was going to be more threatening than any equivalent or even intellectually superior white man.

I mean i'd definitely say racism in Big Brother is not exclusive to BBUK. Take a look at Big Brother 15 USA - this series literally exemplified very active racism. The treatment of Candice by Aryan, Gina Marie and Spencer etc was absolutely disgusting. And yet, Aryan is still viewed as an 'idol' (it's unbelievable), by some people.
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Just seems the go to excuse when people's favourites aren't liked as much as they'd want them to be.

Just as I could easily say it's positive discrimination that people love and get all "yasssssss" the moment a black woman with an attitude appears on any TV show.
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Have they done away with the cheesy "________ calling" thing they'd start off with?
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Is it just me as well who thought that Adjoa wasn't a stereotype?
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Thank you for a great and articulate post Raph

It remained me of BB6 when the white people (Anthony, Saskia, Maxwell, Craig etc) segregated themselves from the minority housemates who were largely in the majority that year. Yet Anthony won and Makosi received terrible treatment from the public
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It remained me of BB6 when the white people (Anthony, Saskia, Maxwell, Craig etc) segregated themselves from the minority housemates who were largely in the majority that year. Yet Anthony won and Makosi received terrible treatment from the public
Was Anthony a delusional weirdo who pretended he got impregnated by a finger?
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He was vicious bully tho
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A vicious bully of who?

And to be fair, any of the 16 housemates from BB6 was at one point or another a horrible person. Any winner that series would've been a bit "Huh".

Well, maybe everyone except Eugene.
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And to be fair, any of the 16 housemates from BB6 was at one point or another a horrible person. Any winner that series would've been a bit "Huh".

Well, maybe everyone except Eugene.
In my opinion he was part of the bully circle of Maxwell, Saskia etc. When they left he carried on picking on Derek, he also engaged in aggressive arguments with Kemal and Craig
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I didn't like Adjoa tbh but it was more the OTT sex talk and tbh sometimes it came across as forced too

I wanted Sarah saved, but wasn't too arsed between the other two. In hindsight though it does seem to have been the right choice

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I completely disagree. There is being open with your sexuality, and there is being a sleaze and just TRYING to shock with the things you come out with. I seriously doubt anyone would be fine with the guys talking like that. I mean...on being asked what part of a girl attracts you first..answer pussy? Really? **** off...
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