[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think we should ask Amnesty international or maybe refugees past and present what they think about it too.
How has the country turned out, What is it about modern UK that they would object to?

Sand******s presumably.

Yeah.

Definitely Sandcastles.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think we should ask Amnesty international or maybe refugees past and present what they think about it too.
How has the country turned out, What is it about modern UK that they would object to?

You'd think that Amnesty International would have enough on their plate dealing with countries that really have no freedom where people are exploited and mistreated. The rest... well, is just another of your cunningly worded invitations to an argument and I decline.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You'd think that Amnesty International would have enough on their plate dealing with countries that really have no freedom where people are exploited and mistreated. The rest... well, is just another of your cunningly worded invitations to an argument and I decline.

Oh they do I'm sure but it's nice to hold on to what little rights you have too.
The rest is a response to your query... Why ask a question and then balk at the reply?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why do I challenge your opinion? because I can.
I get it now, you don't want a Human Rights Act because of the exploitation.
That will be wonderful news for those who died for those rights should they ever stop spinning in their graves long enough to hear it.

'there is a definite new threat which they know about and we do not'

I'm not wanting to antagonise you but if you make statements like this sorry but it smacks of you being very very worried :/

Sorry to you too Niamh I know you went bold but I have a right to reply to a suggestion I'm making unfair challenges.

I will not respond to you again. I think that anyone with a brain and eyes can see the truth here.

[Kizzy]

Ok Livia. Not sure how I'm to blame for your supposition but we'll leave it then.

[Ammi]

..anyways, I don't really know how I feel about the 'more surveillance powers' that MI5 would like to have, I understand both stances and feel that that they're both extremely valid..it's that thing between privacy being invaded and the very real threats to all of us, both in this country and others...and many of these threats we're informed have only remained threats and not actions because of things like surveillance...it would be interesting to know the opinions of families/friends etc who are suffering the very real pain of losing loved ones ...if it could have been prevented/if more surveillance measures for all of us could have prevented it and your real life not be the pain it is now...I suspect though, they may still be quite conflicted but interesting anyway...