[Firewire]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

All Muslims are repulsed by gays. It is part of their religion.

Zayn Malik is a Muslim and loves the gays

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a well known tactic of theirs, if they claim responsibility for every attack going it makes them look more powerful and threatening. Chances are the gunman was acting alone, I doubt very much that IS even knew who this man was never mind being in contact with him. He wasn't working with anyone else, most legitimate IS attacks are organised in groups.

This has all the markings of an act of domestic terrorism rather than Islamic terrorism. To falsely attribute this tragedy to Isis gives them more power.

So it is just coincidence that he claimed to be operating for Isis first. I see.

The truth of the natter will emerge of course as the FBI are now working round the clock to find out exactly who he associated with. He was already known to police as a radical so he must have been up to something.

Trump, IMO has the right idea about not letting Muslims into America now until their reasons are verified and background checked

[Smithy]

Honestly find it hilarious when people say that gun control isn't an issue here, of course it is, whether he was a member of a terrorist organisation or not is irrelevant the fact is that this US CITIZEN easily and legally obtained a firearm and 50 people are dead because of it

[MB.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Trump, IMO has the right idea about not letting Muslims into America now until their reasons are verified and background checked

And that would have prevented this attack by an American Muslim under investigation from the FBI how?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Braden

Please explain. I genuinely want to know why.

The most obvious way it is wrong is it is not appropriate to discuss issues like guns when this just happened. Now is the time to mourn.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by MB.

And that would have prevented this attack by an American Muslim under investigation from the FBI how?

tbh

[GiRTh]

Terrible tragedy.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

The most obvious way it is wrong is it is not appropriate to discuss issues like guns when this just happened. Now is the time to mourn.

So when is the right time? People die from gun crime every day... Of course this is the right time to make a stand.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

The most obvious way it is wrong is it is not appropriate to discuss issues like guns when this just happened. Now is the time to mourn.

It's not an appropriate time to discuss gun laws at a time when said laws have caused the deaths of so many innocent people that could've been easily prevented?

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MB.

And that would have prevented this attack by an American Muslim under investigation from the FBI how?

I'd go further. Anyone showing signs of radicalism should be lobbed out. This guy would have been.

A muslim cleric in Orlando in April said that all gays should be murdered. How on earth is he still there

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's not an appropriate time to discuss gun laws at a time when said laws have caused the deaths of so many innocent people that could've been easily prevented?

Did France's complete ban on guns cause the balaclan massacre?

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I'd go further. Anyone showing signs of radicalism should be lobbed out. This guy would have been.

A muslim cleric in Orlando in April said that all gays should be murdered. How on earth is he still there

You can't be "lobbed out" if you're a native to a country. That's not how it works.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I'd go further. Anyone showing signs of radicalism should be lobbed out.

If only it were that simple.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Honestly find it hilarious when people say that gun control isn't an issue here, of course it is, whether he was a member of a terrorist organisation or not is irrelevant the fact is that this US CITIZEN easily and legally obtained a firearm and 50 people are dead because of it

I think France has some of the most strict gun laws. Can you explain how this didn't stop the ISIS attack that hit Paris?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

So it is just coincidence that he claimed to be operating for Isis first. I see.

The truth of the natter will emerge of course as the FBI are now working round the clock to find out exactly who he associated with. He was already known to police as a radical so he must have been up to something.

Trump, IMO has the right idea about not letting Muslims into America now until their reasons are verified and background checked

The guy was a mass murderer that wanted attention so I wouldn't take his claims as gospel without proper investigation.

According to reports I've read it stated that he was under investigation but for an unrelated crime, he wasn't on any watchlists as a potential terror suspect. He wasn't known to the authorities as a danger in that regard.

Trump has never had the right idea about anything and using this tragedy to justify your islamaphobia is quite sick.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Did France's complete ban on guns cause the balaclan massacre?

I'll give you a chance to make that at all relevant to what I said. Not that I have faith you can.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I think France has some of the most strict gun laws. Can you explain how this didn't stop the ISIS attack that hit Paris?

Because they weren't from France

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If only it were that simple.

Well you seem to think guns are to blame and not radical Muslims so I expected you to say that.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I think France has some of the most strict gun laws. Can you explain how this didn't stop the ISIS attack that hit Paris?

Nobody is claiming it will stop crime/murder/attacks in their tracks completely. Evil will always be in the world.

But it doesn't have to be as easy, LEGAL, and as common as it is in America for an all out bloodbath.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Well you seem to think guns are to blame and not radical Muslims so I expected you to say that.

I've not said any such things love. Try again.

[Black Dagger]

... this forum.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I'll give you a chance to make that at all relevant to what I said. Not that I have faith you can.

France has a gun ban but terrorists shoot people. America allows guns and terrorists shoot people.

Seems like the terrorists are the common link, not the gun laws.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I think France has some of the most strict gun laws. Can you explain how this didn't stop the ISIS attack that hit Paris?

Because people managed to smuggle arms in across land borders??


You can't compare a country like the US which has HUNDREDS of shootings a year to a country like France where there's stricter gun laws and one mass shooting in recent memory, which was a terrorist attack, it's absurd

The us is the only country with such lax gun laws and the only country where it frequently happens

[Tom4784]

If your argument against gun control is that it won't stop all gun crime then you might as well campaign against all laws since none of them completely stop crime but they do curb it.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's not an appropriate time to discuss gun laws at a time when said laws have caused the deaths of so many innocent people that could've been easily prevented?

Yeah, and criminals always obey the gun laws.