[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I heard Jess and Ashley giggling and discussing who Ashley fancied.

I saw Andrew, Jonny and Dapper talking about who they would bang and generally being knobs and disrespectful.

I saw a big difference but then my fave wasn't being awful so my rose tinted glasses are off

I understand what you are saying but it’s harmless “lad” banter.

I’ve heard girl say worse about guys, but it’s always ignored.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Aaaand...gone way of him tonight The 'lads banter' was gross. And I may have been slightly swayed by the fact that he was kicking off with a housemate I passionately dislike now that I have thought about it more.

Also went off Malika due to her lack of balls. Not in not nominating India..but just the pathetic way she went on over the nominations to start with. Really did think she would be blunt and honest rather than a simpering mess like she was.

Never before have my opinions changed so much..and so often in a series.

I said last night Andrew was fake...and very disappointed in Malinka. She has had the balls to confront India but moaned all week and she went way down in my estimations by not nominating her...

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

I'm not a woman so I can't comment like Amy/Vanessa can but can someone recall what the offensive comment was from Andrew, I didn't find the banter particularly 'tasteless' or offensive tbf.

I would be grossed out if I heard someone say they wanted to 'bang me' as I am not a balloon. Call me pretty or interesting and that's a compliment but to talk about me like im there to be used like trash and I would feel disrespected.

That's why guys me age are of no interest to me, a majority are vile.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i thought the tone was predatory rather than banter. I think it comes from Dapper, but Andrew joined in

Yeah I get that.

[Vanessa]

Daniel is awful when he's with the lads. Hate the vulgar talk. Urgh!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i thought the tone was predatory rather than banter. I think it comes from Dapper, but Andrew joined in

Daniel is creepy, I can see why his girlfriend was in tears when he went in, she knew he would be perving over everyone, even Ann isn't safe

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

Girls talk about guys all the time and who they would date/sleep with.

It’s just banter and harmless.

I ****ing hate the word banter so much

Its not so much the who would you sleep with thing, its the general attitude towards the women, almost like they are just pieces of meat.

I really enjoyed his talk yesterday about challenging gender stereotypes and how he feels he HAS to be 'laddy' around Dave and John or whatever the names were in the pub..where he doesn't want to be that was and is really camp and such. And then the next day, hes with the houses 'Dave and John' acting all 'grr I am a manly man, bring me pussy'.

So which was the real Andrew?

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I would be grossed out if I heard someone say they wanted to 'bang me' as I am not a balloon. Call me pretty or interesting and that's a compliment but to talk about me like im there to be used like trash and I would feel disrespected.

That's why guys me age are of no interest to me, a majority are vile.

Fair enough, if someone said it about me I wouldn't care but as a woman I can see why you would be offended. Still I don't mind his quite 'laddish' behaviour, it isn't to the extent of Lewis/Bear or anything, just quite harmless.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

I understand what you are saying but it’s harmless “lad” banter.

I’ve heard girl say worse about guys, but it’s always ignored.

Maybe girls do but in this situation they didn't

Andrew is fake, he treats the girls with respect to their face but reverts to caveman as soon as they are out of earshot

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Daniel is creepy, I can see why his girlfriend was in tears when he went in, she knew he would be perving over everyone, even Ann isn't safe

even Ann isn't safe

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't like him when he's showing off with the lads. Only when he's away from them.

So he is a different person with them and a different one without them...that makes him FAKE..

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I ****ing hate the word banter so much

Its not so much the who would you sleep with thing, its the general attitude towards the women, almost like they are just pieces of meat.

I really enjoyed his talk yesterday about challenging gender stereotypes and how he feels he HAS to be 'laddy' around Dave and John or whatever the names were in the pub..where he doesn't want to be that was and is really camp and such. And then the next day, hes with the houses 'Dave and John' acting all 'grr I am a manly man'.

So which was the real Andrew?

I think everyone is different to some extent around different people and to say you aren’t is lies. Everyone changes some part of their personality to fit with people to some degree. Doesn’t make you fake it’s just how we feel we need to adapt around certain people.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So he is a different person with them and a different one without them...that makes him FAKE..

I think he's showing off when he's with the lads.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I ****ing hate the word banter so much

Its not so much the who would you sleep with thing, its the general attitude towards the women, almost like they are just pieces of meat.

I really enjoyed his talk yesterday about challenging gender stereotypes and how he feels he HAS to be 'laddy' around Dave and John or whatever the names were in the pub..where he doesn't want to be that was and is really camp and such. And then the next day, hes with the houses 'Dave and John' acting all 'grr I am a manly man, bring me pussy'.

So which was the real Andrew?

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

Fair enough, if someone said it about me I wouldn't care but as a woman I can see why you would be offended. Still I don't mind his quite 'laddish' behaviour, it isn't to the extent of Lewis/Bear or anything, just quite harmless.

I have no time for any guy who doesn't treat me with respect, perhaps it's because I was always taugh to never put up with anything less.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I have no time for any guy who doesn't treat me with respect, perhaps it's because I was always taugh to never put up with anything less.

quite right too, don't let anyone tell you differently

[Nancy.]

I've completely gone off him. Seems like an arrogant *****, tbh.

[Vanessa]

I don't think he's nasty. He's a good housemate and quite fun. But i really don't like him when he's with the lads.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

I think everyone is different to some extent around different people and to say you aren’t is lies. Everyone changes some part of their personality to fit with people to some degree. Doesn’t make you fake it’s just how we feel we need to adapt around certain people.

Yes we all adapt to different social situations, such as I will be slightly more reserved in front of people I don't know or I watch my language around older people but I don't hang around with my girl friends and start talking about who I want to destroy my vagina.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't think he's nasty. He's a good housemate and quite fun. But i really don't like him when he's with the lads.

Being with the lads with be his downfall.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

Being with the lads with be his downfall.

Daniel is the one who i'm liking less and less. His vulgar talk is quite frankly disgusting.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

Being with the lads with be his downfall.

He needs to stick with Courtney. I love their friendship.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't think he's nasty. He's a good housemate and quite fun. But i really don't like him when he's with the lads.

Neither do I, Vanessa. He's like a different person when he's with them.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He needs to stick with Courtney. I love their friendship.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Yes we all adapt to different social situations, such as I will be slightly more reserved in front of people I don't know or I watch my language around older people but I don't hang around with my girl friends and start talking about who I want to destroy my vagina.

Ok..

Yeah but some may be more open with their girl pals and talk about boys and who they would “bang”- they might not use that word but some equivalent.

I think the whole conversation is being slightly over-reacted. Yes it’s not very respectful but i don’t think it defines his character.