[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

she should be shot in the back of her head and her body burned

I agree.

[user104658]

The death sentence should never even be an option unless there's no question of guilt (i.e. caught red handed). For any crime. Trials by jury on balance of evidence are not, have never been and never will be infallible and there are waaay too many documented miscarriages of justice to be killing people based on a jury verdict. You just never hear about most of the overturned convictions. Not juicy enough for the press.

Not making a comment on this case in particular; just the idea of capital punishment vs jury of peers in general.

Put it this way; your jury could be made up of 10 random TiBB members.

F* **.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The death sentence should never even be an option unless there's no question of guilt (i.e. caught red handed). For any crime. Trials by jury on balance of evidence are not, have never been and never will be infallible and there are waaay too many documented miscarriages of justice to be killing people based on a jury verdict. You just never hear about most of the overturned convictions. Not juicy enough for the press.

Not making a comment on this case in particular; just the idea of capital punishment vs jury of peers in general.

Put it this way; your jury could be made up of 10 random TiBB members.

F* **.

What about those monsters who beheaded one of our soldiers on broad daylight … encouraging passers-by to video their slaughter


The last I heard is that the British taxpayers were paying for their appeal costs !!!

Aghhhhhhh !!!! No

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

What about those monsters who beheaded one of our soldiers on broad daylight … encouraging passers-by to video their slaughter

I think that would surely fall under the category of "caught red handed" ...

I'm against capital punishment in general but LESS against it when there's 100% concrete unquestionable guilt.

"Found guilty on balance of evidence by a jury" is not unquestionable guilt, miscarriages of justice are uncovered regularly, and verdicts are overturned. The justice system is not infallible, and gets it wrong from time to time.

Likewise if we are going to let our authorities end lives, it should at the very least always be for level-headed reasoning (i.e. an individual is simply too dangerous to continue existing safely). Not out of emotion/outrage/anger.

[bots]

as long as evidence can be faked/planted there is always room for doubt in the process. I know that's extremely unlikely as the police never do anything wrong

[The Slim Reaper]

The state shouldn't be murdering people, full stop. Matching barbarism with barbarism is revenge, not justice.

[Zizu]

So the victims families are distraught as they don’t get to share their victim impact statements as she CHOSE not to attend court !

The judge said that he would pass on their letters to that murdering bitch … you couldn’t make it up !!


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[joeysteele]

She certainly is the lowest of the low.
However she is likely to have an extremely hard time in prison.

No matter the crimes of murder that other prisoners are in prison for.
Most of them hate with a passion child killers.
It will be arranged that it will be made known what she is in for.
So unless she is watched or confined alone 24/7, she will likely be in terror in prison.

She will be hated, even moreso once it's known it's babies in her care she murdered.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The state shouldn't be murdering people, full stop. Matching barbarism with barbarism is revenge, not justice.

its justice and closure for victims which is the prime motivation, liberal morality signaling is not welcome

also it saves taxpayers millions

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its justice and closure for victims which is the prime motivation, liberal morality signaling is not welcome

also it saves taxpayers millions

It costs far more (many millions in fact) to execute prisoners in the States than to imprison them for life due to the complexity of the appeals process. I would imagine we would have to do the same process as every prisoner has the right to appeal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

It costs far more (many millions in fact) to execute prisoners in the States than to imprison them for life due to the complexity of the appeals process. I would imagine we would have to do the same process as every prisoner has the right to appeal.

then simply dont ape the failed USA system, there is no need to and we are not the USA

[Crimson Dynamo]

enjoy..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-animals.html

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its justice and closure for victims which is the prime motivation, liberal morality signaling is not welcome

also it saves taxpayers millions

Morality signalling?

You're so weird at times, LT. Why is it that you and every other far right loon gets to speak with certainties and conviction, but any one with an opposing view doesn't really believe it and is only signalling?

You've just made those reasons up. It doesn't guarantee closure for any grieving parent, and justice is the prison sentence. Anything more than that is a search for revenge.

[bots]

30-40 years in prison will be a far greater punishment than a quick russian style bullet to the head

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

30-40 years in prison will be a far greater punishment than a quick russian style bullet to the head

bollocks

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Morality signalling?

You're so weird at times, LT. Why is it that you and every other far right loon gets to speak with certainties and conviction, but any one with an opposing view doesn't really believe it and is only signalling?

You've just made those reasons up. It doesn't guarantee closure for any grieving parent, and justice is the prison sentence. Anything more than that is a search for revenge.

if you can't make a point without an insult id wager you dont have one..

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if you can't make a point without an insult id wager you dont have one..

Where is the insult?

This is what you do every time without fail and anyone with eyes can see it. The problem is you're unable to think beyond your own post, so you're just not equipped to discuss anything. You either pretend to be outraged and slighted - see above, or you reply with a joker smiley.

Grown ass man, dude; it's time to grow up a little.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

30-40 years in prison will be a far greater punishment than a quick russian style bullet to the head

Not if she’s living the life of Riley as she’ll be in danger living on the normal cell block


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

30-40 years in prison will be a far greater punishment than a quick russian style bullet to the head

I agree with this, especially as to her case.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its justice and closure for victims which is the prime motivation, liberal morality signaling is not welcome

also it saves taxpayers millions

Meanwhile one of the victims statements

'We hope you live a very long life and spend every single day suffering for what you have done.'

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its justice and closure for victims which is the prime motivation, liberal morality signaling is not welcome

also it saves taxpayers millions

There's zero evidence of any kind that the death sentence offered closure for grieving families and in fact most report that it simply doesn't.

What can it possibly offer?

Either you don't believe in the after llife in which case you have to understand that death means nothing to the dead... Or you do believe in an afterlife, in which case you surely believe they're going to the bad version of that, and for eternity, and will go there when they die regardless... In which case, sending them there a couple of decades early is again meaningless.

And this is in fact how most families of victims feel after a death sentence is carried out. Hollow, nothing. It changes nothing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

There's zero evidence of any kind that the death sentence offered closure for grieving families and in fact most report that it simply doesn't.

What can it possibly offer?

Either you don't believe in the after llife in which case you have to understand that death means nothing to the dead... Or you do believe in an afterlife, in which case you surely believe they're going to the bad version of that, and for eternity, and will go there when they die regardless... In which case, sending them there a couple of decades early is again meaningless.

And this is in fact how most families of victims feel after a death sentence is carried out. Hollow, nothing. It changes nothing.

and zero the other way

buy why not ask them?

"would you rather the woman who killed your baby died or spent the next 40 years watching sky sports, playing wordle, reading books, wanking to porn and participating in forums"?

i am taking a guess rather than listening to milksop liberals

[thesheriff443]

Killing murderers does not stop others from murdering and it can never bring the victim back

It’s easy to say kill them when you are not doing the killing
If you was offered the job to kill them I think most wouldn’t want to do it.

[thesheriff443]

I will add, killing someone that is trying to kill you or your family is totally acceptable to me

[Swan]

One of the saddest things is this woman will have countless documentaries and murder porn programs made about her over the coming years, the victims and their families will be forgotten about, but their pain and grief will be exploited for profit for many years to come focusing on this evil scumbag.