[Alf]

This time next year, we'll still be tied the EU and We'll be in a post democracy era. That change will come with catastrophic consequences. I wonder if that was the plan all along?

[Nicky91]

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

This time next year, we'll still be tied the EU and We'll be in a post democracy era. That change will come with catastrophic consequences. I wonder if that was the plan all along?

get off the sherry, Alf, it's not Christmas yet

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

get off the sherry, Alf, it's not Christmas yet

You won't be laughing when conscription to the EU army starts.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

You won't be laughing when conscription to the EU army starts.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Did you see the tanks with the EU logo on them that got sent to keep the French people in order last weekend?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

You won't be laughing when conscription to the EU army starts.

As a matter of interest Alf what for you as a leaver do you see as a benefit because I am struggling and I try to be open minded about it

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

As a matter of interest Alf what for you as a leaver do you see as a benefit because I am struggling and I try to be open minded about it

Who knows what the benifits could be? We can all predict anything, but psychics and Crystal balls are make believe.



The future is what we make it, but we need to make it on our own, because at the moment we're only as prosperous as the other 27 countries we"re shackled to.

You"re only as strong as your weakest member.

[Alf]

Youtube video

[Twosugars]

Verhofstadt is a federalist Doesn't mean anything. EU has always been a compromise between federalists and nationalists. It all depends. Some things are better addressed locally, some nationally and others internationally.
Of course politicians will wrestle over power, be it devolution or central government, central government or international body.
The trick is to divide these things wisely. Best so that they keep each other in check bc you can't trust any of them.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Verhofstadt is a federalist Doesn't mean anything. EU has always been a compromise between federalists and nationalists. It all depends. Some things are better addressed locally, some nationally and others internationally.
Of course politicians will wrestle over power, be it devolution or central government, central government or international body.
The trick is to divide these things wisely. Best so that they keep each other in check bc you can't trust any of them.

if you can't trust them, then shouldn't we have the power to elect and remove them?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

if you can't trust them, then shouldn't we have the power to elect and remove them?

you do
eu parliament is directly elected
eu officials are chosen by national governments which are directly elected

[Twosugars]

why do you say you're strong as the weakest member?
that's not true, there're richer and poorer countries

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

why do you say you're strong as the weakest member?
that's not true, there're richer and poorer countries

So then we carry the weaker members, which holds us back and makes us weaker.

[Twosugars]

you contribute to eu, yes, but you get preferential trade access etc which generates wealth

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

you contribute to eu, yes, but you get preferential trade access etc which generates wealth

Wealth for whom?

In my experience, people want to take my money off me, rather than give it to me.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Wealth for whom?

In my experience, people want to take my money off me, rather than give it to me.

free trade generate more profit than trade with tariffs, more profit stays in company's coffers
taxation is a different matter, very much decided by national governments and local authorities, not the eu

[Tom4784]

The problem is that we live in a world where facts are considered optional, BOTS. What you are saying is factually true, but given the Leave campaign and how effective their easily fact checked lies were, people want the lies more than they want to acknowledge the truth of the matter.

That's why people are so content to keep banging on about remain like how Trump will still bring up Hillary even now, years on from the election. It's a distraction from the realities upon us all. Why focus on the ramifications of our decisions when we can look for a scapegoat instead?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

people want the lies more than they want to acknowledge the truth of the matter.

what utter nonsense

you literally just made that up

ironically

[Twosugars]

and eu army makes perfect sense
europe should not expect america to pay for its defence indefinitely
most if not all eu countries have professional, career armed forces, there's no need for conscription anyway

[Twosugars]

[Rob!]

Skin of her teeth though yikes

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

All them dusty ugly old ccunnts in that room

Well with responses like this ,the country will always be a mess, some people just don't care or understand the complications.