[Tom4784]

Blocking Brexit could lead to a surge in far-right extremism in the UK, a cabinet minister has said.

Transport Secretary Chris Grayling told the Daily Mail that not leaving the EU would cause the 17 million people who voted for Brexit to feel "cheated".

This could end centuries of "moderate" politics in the UK, he said, as he urged his colleagues to back Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit deal.

A vote on the agreement takes place in the Commons on Tuesday.

MPs are widely expected to reject the deal, negotiated between the EU and UK, with more than 100 Conservative MPs among those opposing it.

Some ministers have warned the UK faces Brexit "paralysis" if this happens.

'Nastiness in politics'
Just days before the critical vote, Mr Grayling, who campaigned to leave the EU, told the Daily Mail there would be a "different tone" in British politics if the UK failed to leave the EU, and predicted a "less tolerant society" and a "more nationalistic nation".

"It will open the door to extremist populist political forces in this country of the kind we see in other countries in Europe," Mr Grayling told the paper.

"If MPs who represent seats that voted 70% to leave say 'sorry guys, we're still going to have freedom of movement', they will turn against the political mainstream," he added.

"There's already a nastiness and unpleasantness in our politics, more people with extreme views, more people willing to behave in an uncivilised way," he said.

Lord Hattersley, a former deputy Labour Party leader, dismissed Mr Grayling's comments, saying not many would regard him as "an expert in these matters".

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that he did not believe a general election - which Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has pushed for - would happen.

Lord Hattersley, a minister in the Wilson and Callaghan governments, called for another referendum, saying the party had to risk losing the support of Labour supporters who voted to leave the EU in order to do the "right" thing.Mr Grayling's intervention comes after his Conservative colleagues warned about the possibility of the UK leaving the EU with no deal.

Northern Ireland Secretary Karen Bradley said a no-deal exit would create a "feeling of unrest".

Tory rebel Dominic Grieve, who tabled the amendment that led to a second government defeat on Brexit last week, urged the prime minister to delay Brexit if her EU deal was rejected by MPs.

Mr Grieve is among a group of MPs calling for another referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46847169

I think it's inevitable, right wing terrorism is on the rise and I don't think extreme elements will be happy no matter what happens. If Brexit gets overturned in another referendum, the extreme right will spill blood.

Still, we can't let violence dictate the course. If people aren't happy with the deal and don't want a no deal solution than the only choice is another referendum.

[Smithy]

No surprise, the far right are more of a threat to the UK now than any other perceived terrorism

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No surprise, the far right are more of a threat to the UK now than any other perceived terrorism

They'll be blowing up innocent children at pop concerts next, won't they?

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No surprise, the far right are more of a threat to the UK now than any other perceived terrorism

What a silly thing to say. How is it 'perceived terrorism' when it is actual terrorism though?

Anyway, I do agree with Chris Grayling. The thousands of people marching London in protest of Brexit claim they want peace and globalism but don't realise that if Brexit is blocked this country would see more violence than what's been going on in France recently.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Riley.

if Brexit is blocked this country would see more violence than what's been going on in France recently.

Fake news. France has a history of violent protest; they've had several riots and incidents of civil unrest per decade since the late 1800's. It's a totally different culture. If Brexit is blocked we'll have a few OAP's grumbling while they buy their porridge, milk and Daily Mail in the morning. They'll never riot, because if they try they'll all break their hips.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Fake news. France has a history of violent protest; they've had several riots and incidents of civil unrest per decade since the late 1800's. It's a totally different culture. If Brexit is blocked we'll have a few OAP's grumbling while they buy their porridge, milk and Daily Mail in the morning. They'll never riot, because if they try they'll all break their hips.

That's just a very ignorant and naive statement.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Riley.

That's just a very ignorant and naive statement.

It isn't, it's factual. Have a look at civil unrest in France over the years; the current riots are not particularly unusual.

And majority Brexit voters were over 50 and an even higher percentage over 65.

It's not a guess or an assumption; the figures are available.




Old, uneducated Tories. It's not a guess, it's not ignorant or naive, it is statistical fact.


If Brexit is cancelled, 50 - 70+ year olds are not going to be rioting in the streets. The idea is ludicrous. They will grumble that it's "****ing typical" to be ignored by politicians, and go on with their day. If there's any rioting, it'll be from groups who are motivated by the "controlling the borders" xenophobic aspect of the Brexit vote, and frankly, worrying about their reaction shouldn't be a factor in any decision made... because they're going to kick off anyway when we've full Brexited and immigration from Asia, Africa and the Middle East inevitably increases instead of going down as they are hoping.

[Crimson Dynamo]

bwahahaha

so Chris Grayling said it and its fact


lol

[Alf]

And remember those mobs who protested Trump coming to the UK = not extreme

Those who confronted JRM and his children at his home = not extreme

Those protesters stopping Anne Marie Waters from attending the hustings = not extreme

People trying to overturn the result of the referendum getting protested = extreme

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

And remember those mobs who protested Trump coming to the UK = not extreme

Those who confronted JRM and his children at his home = not extreme

Those protesters stopping Anne Marie Waters from attending the hustings = not extreme

People trying to overturn the result of the referendum getting protested = extreme

Protesting isn't an extreme act but assassinating an MP most certainly is. Honestly, you should be denouncing the extreme right, not defending them by attacking the left. Tribalism isn't a good look.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Protesting isn't an extreme act but assassinating an MP most certainly is. Honestly, you should be denouncing the extreme right, not defending them by attacking the left. Tribalism isn't a good look.

These aren't the extreme right, these are working class people who have one weapon, their vote. But their vote is not being accepted. Which leaves them with nothing, and they're angry about it.

I've already said that they are not going about it in the right way, although I'm with them on the principle of why they are there.

These are working class people who are seeing their only weapon being taken away from them, and they're scared and nobody is listening to them, and they're lashing out.

They are not far-right or fascists.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

These aren't the extreme right, these are working class people who have one weapon, their vote. But their vote is not being accepted. Which leaves them with nothing, and they're angry about it.

I've already said that they are not going about it in the right way, although I'm with them on the principle of why they are there.

These are working class people who are seeing their only weapon being taken away from them, and they're scared and nobody is listening to them, and they're lashing out.

They are not far-right or fascists.

they will vote again, get yourself a decent majority and all will be fine
bet you won't though

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

they will vote again, get yourself a decent majority and all will be fine
bet you won't though

They already did vote again in the General Election after the referendum. They again voted to leave the EU where the offer was "no deal is better than a bad deal" we just want out and we've told you twice at the ballot box. You need to listen to us, we're not holding you hostage, we just want out.

You've seen the rise of what's labaled as right wing parties in Germany and Italy, if you don't listen to the people, then we'll probably go the same way.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

These aren't the extreme right, these are working class people who have one weapon, their vote. But their vote is not being accepted. Which leaves them with nothing, and they're angry about it.

I've already said that they are not going about it in the right way, although I'm with them on the principle of why they are there.

These are working class people who are seeing their only weapon being taken away from them, and they're scared and nobody is listening to them, and they're lashing out.

They are not far-right or fascists.

They voted for the current government to handle Brexit, they're getting what they voted for. If another referendum takes place, the result of that will be just as democratic as the last vote, it's not suddenly undemocratic just because there's a decent chance it won't go your way. The will of the people isn't static, it can change or develop otherwise there wouldn't be any point in elections or any votes. If the current deal is a no go and the option to pursue a no deal brexit is blocked then the only option is to see what the people want to do.

Also, you're just proving what I've said all along to be true, you're blinded by your sense of tribalism that you can't bring yourself to condemn the extreme elements of the right, instead you're trying to downplay it and rationalise their actions. I think Jo Cox's family would disagree with what you're saying.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They voted for the current government to handle Brexit, they're getting what they voted for. If another referendum takes place, the result of that will be just as democratic as the last vote, it's not suddenly undemocratic just because there's a decent chance it won't go your way. The will of the people isn't static, it can change or develop otherwise there wouldn't be any point in elections or any votes. If the current deal is a no go and the option to pursue a no deal brexit is blocked then the only option is to see what the people want to do.

Also, you're just proving what I've said all along to be true, you're blinded by your sense of tribalism that you can't bring yourself to condemn the extreme elements of the right, instead you're trying to downplay it and rationalise their actions. I think Jo Cox's family would disagree with what you're saying.

Listen, you don't win the argument by bringing up Jo Cox, and if you continue to use her death for political gain, then people are just going to tell you where you can stick Jo Cox. She was murdered by one low-life scum, not 17.4m people who want to leave a union. You don't own her murder, so stop using her death to think you can win the argument.You can't win it with that against me.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Alf

These aren't the extreme right, these are working class people who have one weapon, their vote. But their vote is not being accepted. Which leaves them with nothing, and they're angry about it.

I've already said that they are not going about it in the right way, although I'm with them on the principle of why they are there.

These are working class people who are seeing their only weapon being taken away from them, and they're scared and nobody is listening to them, and they're lashing out.

They are not far-right or fascists.

Oh Bless Alf ..Do you not get that is on the left who are working class ?.
your vote is accepted,...Acccept mine

[arista]

One MP's view.

It will not be blocked

[Withano]

Probably. The furthest of right wing people are so easily triggered that aboloshing a terrible idea will even set them off.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Probably. The furthest of right wing people are so easily triggered that aboloshing a terrible idea will even set them off.

ideally if you had nailed the spelling of abolishing it would have worked much better

[Alf]

Nothing will happen if the government do their jobs correctly. Only they have the power to cause any unrest.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

Nothing will happen if the government do their jobs correctly. Only they have the power to cause any unrest.

if we had fair politics yes, but these brexiteers mostly the conservatives are more interested in their own financial gain


a honest, fair brexit could work yep, with genuine desire from all sides for independence from the EU but that will never happen so this brexit was doomed to be a huge mess from the start

[Alf]

When we leave with no deal, and the remainers kick off, it will not be extreme, if the result of the referendum is sabotaged, and the leavers kick off, then that will be extreme. But I'm not partizan, honestly!

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

When we leave with no deal, and the remainers kick off, it will not be extreme, if the result of the referendum is sabotaged, and the leavers kick off, then that will be extreme. But I'm not partizan, honestly!

i'm sure now that a no deal brexit won't be as bad as some might think, but this is me more hoping for a peaceful and calm departure out of EU from you guys

it shouldn't need to be a reason for chaos in UK, after 29th March there should be some work done to make UK a better country

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

When we leave with no deal, and the remainers kick off, it will not be extreme, if the result of the referendum is sabotaged, and the leavers kick off, then that will be extreme. But I'm not partizan, honestly!

Would depend entirely on how they “kick off”. Lets not kid ourselves, one group often opt for peaceful protests whilst the others tend to go down the riot route though lols.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Would depend entirely on how they “kick off”. Lets not kid ourselves, one group often opt for peaceful protests whilst the others tend to go down the riot route though lols.

Do I have to post videos of violent left wing protests to prove you wrong? Or are you gonna admit that your not being truthful?