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Far-right terrorists are one step ahead of you in UK, police told
Security services ‘don’t know where threat is coming from’, says charity Hope Not Hate

The UK’s police and security services remain dangerously ill-equipped to identify and counter the long-term terrorism threat from a new wave of far-right politics, according to researchers who helped head off a plot to assassinate a Labour MP.

The anti-racism charity Hope not Hate was instrumental in foiling a plan to murder the West Lancashire MP Rosie Cooper. The legal case at the centre of this plot came to a conclusion on Tuesday.

Senior security figures including the head of MI5, Andrew Parker; the head of UK counter-terrorism policing, Neil Basu; and the Metropolitan police commissioner, Cressida Dick, have warned that the far-right threat is growing rapidly.

But Hope Not Hate (HNH), whose undercover operative Robbie Mullen exposed the plot to kill Cooper after infiltrating the banned neo-Nazi group National Action (NA), said the security services and police were failing to keep up with potential terrorists.

“They don’t know where the threat is coming from and don’t know where to find it, and then they lump in what they think is a threat from the far left,” said Matthew Collins, a research director at HNH, who was also Mullen’s handler.

After the effective destruction of NA – which was the first far-right group to be banned in Britain since the second world war – HNH warned of the long-term threat from a young generation of violent neo-Nazis who have emerged from splits in the far right.

The charity cited groups such as the Sonnenkrieg (Sun war) Division, which HNH described as the third generation of NA.

“The far-right terror threat has always been there. People in groups like C18 have always had sick dreams and fantasies of killing black and Asian people, but they rarely went and did it because they didn’t want to die themselves or go to prison for a long time,” said Collins.

“That’s why National Action and the Atomwaffen [Nuclear weapons] Division, an American group, have been developing the idea of a ‘white jihad’. That was to persuade and convince people that there was spiritual reason for why they could die or go to prison.”

The police have been slow to grasp such concepts, he added, and have largely still been reliant on tipoffs, 999 calls out of the blue, or terrorists making mistakes.

“Those who are involved in groups like the Sonnenkrieg Division have been meeting on gaming forums and other places. The groups that are picking up where NA left off are smaller and more dangerous. If one gets banned they then pick up the mantle and run with it.”

According to academics, extremist groups are using the resurgence of rightwing politics, particularly online but also on the streets, as friendly territory within which they can act more openly and recruit.

“Globally we are seeing the rise of right populism,” said Jacob Davey, a researcher at ISD Global, which helps to design and implement counter-radicalisation strategies. “We can see more extreme groups pushing and pulling and engaging with these and using this as an opportunity.”

Individuals and groups with hard-right ideologies infiltrate into groups that they see have parallel, but legitimate grievances, he said. “The Football Lads Alliance initially had thousands of people at their demonstrations and I would have hesitated to call that a far-right movement; I think it was a lot of people who were legitimately concerned about terror. But what you see is entry into these groups by the far right.”

Online communities developing around these radical, but comparatively soft rightwing ideologies are also used by more extreme groups as a gateway to direct potential recruits harder material hosted on private chats hosted on WhatsApp, Telegram and Discord servers.

“Social media is crucial to the current expansion of the extreme right,” Davey said. “It’s lowered the barrier to getting involved in the extreme right. Twenty years ago if you were that way inclined … you had to go to a certain pub, you had to go to make your way to a certain rally.

“But also you [were] more publicly aligned with these groups, you might lose your job, you might lose friends or family.”

A shared culture links adherents, rather than loyalty to one particular group, said Paul Jackson, a historian who specialises in the history of fascism. The most extreme coalesce around an ideology – revolutionary ultranationalism or racially driven politics – that rejects liberal democracy, and distinguishes them from rightwing figures such as Nigel Farage or Tommy Robinson.

“This type of neo-Nazism is more intellectual than perhaps you may find within neo-Nazis of the Blood and Honour white power music scene, which used to be the youth culture, but now they are getting on to their 50s and 60s,” Jackson said.

“It likes to see itself as extreme within the wider far-right milieu. National Action would comment disparagingly on the English Defence League and the BNP as dad-like figures who didn’t have the necessary dynamism.”

However, they were more of a “talking shop revelling in the idea of violence” rather than an actual violent extremist cell planning attacks, Jackson said. “The danger is that people on the fringes decide to act by themselves. That’s what we find with people like [Jo Cox’s killer] Thomas Mair or Anders Breivik.”

The number of people referred to the UK government’s counter-extremism programme over concerns about far-right activity has risen by more than a third, recent figures show.

A Home Office spokesperson said: “Our counter-terrorism strategy, Contest, addresses all forms of terrorism and no individual or group is free to spread hate or incite violence. We do not routinely comment on whether organisations are or are not under consideration for proscription.”
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"That’s what we find with people like [Jo Cox’s killer] "


Yes a Evil Nazi one off
Terrorist.


Picked a Easy Target.
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Yes a Evil Nazi one off
Terrorist.


Picked a Easy Target.
not one off

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a plan to murder the West Lancashire MP Rosie Cooper
that was another

not to mention many death threads coming MPs way, some of them may try their luck
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that was another

not to mention many death threads coming MPs way, some of them may try their luck

He got arrested before
he could kill anyone.
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that's not the point

the point is there was a credible attempt

if they catch terrorists before bombing it doesn't make them not terrorists does it
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The atrocities in Sri Lanka are part of a spiral of violence that poses profound questions for liberal societies



How should we make sense of the Easter Sunday church and hotel bombings in Sri Lanka that killed more than 250 people and wounded 500? Now that Islamic State appears to have claimed responsibility for the attacks, the question arises: is this merely the latest symptom of an epidemic of Islamist violence, motivated by a belief in offensive jihad (“holy war”)?

The answer is complex and not necessarily in line with public perceptions. Islamist terrorism has been decreasing globally, and particularly in the west, since its peak in 2014-15 when Isis established its caliphate. In recent years, however, far-right supremacist terrorism has risen sharply, to more than one-third of terror attacks globally, even accounting for every extremist killing in the US in 2018. Yet it was more likely to be overlooked or tolerated by western polities, because of cultural history, familiarity and legal protections extended to domestic groups (such as US constitutional safeguards for freedom of speech and the right to bear arms). Thus, attacks by Muslims between 2006 and 2015 received 4.6 times more coverage in US media than other terrorist attacks (controlling for target type, fatalities, arrests).

These two violent ideologies are not separate, but work in tandem, hammering away at the political order, which is increasingly vulnerable for a number of reasons. In reaction to last month’s massacre at mosques in Christchurch, Isis spokesman Abu Hassan al-Muhajir called for Muslims “to avenge their religion” anywhere and everywhere. And that, according to a video posted this week under the Isis banner, was precisely the “bloody reward” meted out to worshippers and tourists in Sri Lanka. In the west, far-right leaders, such as Gerard Batten of Ukip, intimated that this was an attack by Islam on Christianity, which mainstream officials apparently won’t acknowledge because, as Batten tweeted, “the world does not fear [Christians], as it does the ‘religion of peace’” – a perceived asymmetry that the Christchurch suspect had sought to reverse by live-streaming his actions on the internet.

The spread of this transnational terrorism, whether Islamist revivalism or resurgent ethno-nationalism, is fragmenting the social and political consensus globally. That is precisely its aim: to create the void that will usher in a new world, with no room for innocents on the other side, and no “grey zone” in between.

So far this century, it has mostly taken the form of offensive jihad. Through extreme violence and intimidation, but also via the persuasive promotion of absolutist beliefs, the goal is to advance a strict and radical form of Islamic governance everywhere that “chaos and savagery” (tawahoush) can be created. But now, far-right supremacist terrorism is gaming off the jihadist threat, much as fascism played off communism. Jihadist groups, in turn, after diminishing in countercultural appeal following the killing of Osama bin Laden and Isis’s military defeats, are poised for renewal as attractors to the disaffected: in part because of the rise of the far right, in part because the socio-political conditions that gave rise to these groups have not appreciably changed.

Far-right terrorism has increasingly co-opted key jihadist precepts and tactics (although it tends to involve lone actors linked mainly through social media). In 2007, the supremacist group Aryan Nations proclaimed an “Aryan jihad” to destroy the “Judaic-tyrannical” system of “so-called western democratic states”. Dylann Roof, who in 2015 killed nine African-American churchgoers in South Carolina, made his own link. Responding to a court examiner, he said he was “like a Palestinian in an Israeli jail after killing nine people … the Palestinian would not be upset or have any regret”. As a prelude to the Christchurch attack, the suspect posted a manifesto citing Roof and Anders Breivik, the Norwegian who killed scores of leftist youth in 2011, as inspirations. It adopts a version of the jihadists’ reasoning to justify mass killing as moral virtue: appealing to a transnational brotherhood in a clash of civilisations that pits one global identity (the white race) against another (Islam) in a fight to the death for survival, with no place for bystanders or fence-sitters.

The question, after Sri Lanka, is how an ostensibly weakened Isis has found itself able to respond. In a 2017-18 study of young men emerging from Isis rule in the Mosul region, my research team found that most Sunni Arabs we interviewed and tested had initially embraced Isis as “the revolution” (al-Thawra). Although many came to reject Isis’s brutality, the group had imbued them with two of its most cherished values: strict belief in sharia, and belief in a Sunni Arab homeland as opposed to a unified Iraq. Moreover, those who believe in these values expressed significantly greater willingness to fight and die than supporters of a unified Iraq. Isis may have lost its state but not necessarily the allegiance of people in the region to its core values.

In a follow-up study in 2018-19, most of those surveyed said Isis couldn’t be eliminated as a belief system or expunged physically without changing the disadvantaged religious, social and economic pre-Isis conditions under which Sunni Arabs still see themselves living. Indeed, over the past week, Isis has been able to retake Syrian territory in the mountains near Raqqa and the eastern desert; and in several Sunni areas of Iraq (Makhmour, Kirkuk, the Anbar desert) Isis bands attack government forces by day and take over villages at night at a pace similar to that seen just before the caliphate’s creation.

As the caliphate was being crushed by a coalition of powerful nations, Isis media declared the group’s intention to step up external operations. The Sri Lanka bombings show many of the features that Isis’s external operations branch, known in Arabic as Emni, developed in Europe to enlist local sympathisers, culminating with the November 2015 Paris and March 2016 Brussels attacks. In 2014, at least 21 Isis operatives were sent back from Syria into Europe to attack soft targets. All the plots except one were foiled owing to a failure to cultivate local facilitation networks. In contrast, the “success” of the Paris and Brussels attacks owes largely to Isis engaging an extensive network of overlapping and preexisting local social ties among families, friends, workmates and petty criminal bands clustered in particular neighbourhoods.

Although as yet there is no evidence that Isis-Emni directed or contracted out the bombings, there is clear indication of a strong attachment to Emni methods. The two local Islamist groups that Sri Lanka’s defence minister held responsible for the Easter bombings had hitherto mostly occupied themselves with vandalising Buddhist relics and shrines. But the Easter operation included multi-site coordination, somewhat sophisticated ordnance, suicide attacks and the targeting of Christians and foreign tourists.

Isis’s Amaq news agency published a video showing eight of the nine supposed suicide attackers pledging allegiance to Isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. An earlier video on the Al-Ghuraba website showed the eight men posing under the Isis banner, and pictured Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, who directed Emni until he was killed in an American airstrike in Syria in 2016, warning about “exploding into the bastions of the infidels”. According to Sri Lanka’s prime minister, Ranil Wickremesinghe, some of the men “travelled abroad and have come back”, suggesting they may have been among the scores of Sri Lankan fighters who had returned from Syria, now minded to avenge the almost mirror-image actions of the far right that will surely be mirrored back, again and again.

The world’s postwar trend toward greater tolerance and less violence relative to the past – including democracy’s spread to a majority of the world’s nations – risks being thrown into reverse, spurred by varieties of transnational terrorism that provoke and intensify one another. Constraining these radical forces demands more than countering their violent expression. Maintaining a more tolerant, less violent world requires dealing squarely with the underlying causes of these emerging forces. Chief among these is the failure of the global market economy to sustain cultures and communities that provide identity, meaning and purpose in life even when people’s material conditions are wanting. Terrorism is one response to this failure; the rise of authoritarian regimes that give a parochial sense of community is another. The complex and onerous task of liberal societies is to make the space for a third.

• Scott Atran is an anthropologist and founding fellow of the Centre for the Resolution of Intractable Conflict at the University of Oxford

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Thirty-three rightwing extremists were held under anti-terror laws last year, a steady rise which coincided with another decrease in the number of Islamist extremists detained.

The figures, released by the Home Office, compare with the 28, 10 and six people from a suspected far-right background who were detained in previous years.
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Police have said the fastest-growing threat of terrorist violence in the UK is from the far right, with seven of the 22 plots to cause mass casualties since March 2017 being driven by extreme rightwing ideology.

They said referrals to anti-radicalisation programmes of those feared to be at risk of committing far-right terrorist acts had doubled between 2016 and 2018, and were expected to rise further.
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Nobody does.
First of all rightwingers are not terrorists
Not even all of far right are, just some

Note the difference between right wing, hard right wing and far right

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Nobody does.
First of all rightwingers are not terrorists
Not even all of far right are, just some

Note the difference between right wing, hard right wing and fat right
A new wing..the fat right
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Incorrect on many levels lol, they are more likely to be skinny and consumed with anger
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Where we stand now is ordinary people from every walk of life who have no axe to grind and just want to go about the business of living are at risk from terrorism from one extremist group or another extremist group, there is little point trying to say one claims more lives than the other or we are more at risk from one or the other, if you or a family member are going about their business at the wrong time these people won't care what colour or creed you are
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