[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It's right that eh....we can all sit all cosy posting away here...but to actually deal with all that humanitarianism impossibility while you get ripped from pillar to post from people like us with no idea of the situation, well...all that takes a strong mind and will if you truly believe that your way is the correct way or the best way possible to fix or contain the serious problem that other countries lack of control have thrust upon you.


Lots if open spaces in America though
.so I dunno

As I said to Livia, every other president since the Flores Agreement came into being has managed to uphold it, instability in South America is not a new thing. The problems plaguing the people who live there haven't come into being recently. Trump's Administration has completely dropped the ball when it comes to human rights and upholding laws regarding the treatment and it's not coincidence that Trump ran on a platform of dehumanising anyone and everyone that isn't white. This crisis is one of the Trump Administration's own making. Wringing your hands and saying 'I'd like to see you do better!' is nothing but justification for horrific human rights abuse.

Stop playing sides, forget about your beloved Trump and see things how they are. These are concentration camps and human rights are being violated on a regular basis.

His latest rant at the US congresswomen, telling them to 'go back home' when each and every one of them is a US citizen is nothing but racist. You can try to spin that rant whichever way you'll want but you'll get dizzy before you make anything regarding this latest incident or the concentration camps right.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As I said to Livia, every other president since the Flores Agreement came into being has managed to uphold it, instability in South America is not a new thing. The problems plaguing the people who live there haven't come into being recently. Trump's Administration has completely dropped the ball when it comes to human rights and upholding laws regarding the treatment and it's not coincidence that Trump ran on a platform of dehumanising anyone and everyone that isn't white. This crisis is one of the Trump Administration's own making. Wringing your hands and saying 'I'd like to see you do better!' is nothing but justification for horrific human rights abuse.

Stop playing sides, forget about your beloved Trump and see things how they are. These are concentration camps and human rights are being violated on a regular basis.

His latest rant at the US congresswomen, telling them to 'go back home' when each and every one of them is a US citizen is nothing but racist. You can try to spin that rant whichever way you'll want but you'll get dizzy before you make anything regarding this latest incident or the concentration camps right.

What trump is saying is if you think this is bad...then **** off back home....I agree with his sentiments.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What trump is saying is if you think this is bad...then **** off back home....I agree with his sentiments.

Is this aimed at immigrants or US citizens who disagree with Trump?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Is this aimed at immigrants or US citizens who disagree with Trump?

It's aimed at unnapreciative arse holes unhappy at what they have walked for.


Are you one of them?

[Parmy]

Sorry bits...was blinking said instead of a banned word?


Cause I'm thinking you mean she just stands there blinking.

[Kizzy]

I'm having a hard time understanding how anyone could justify treating anyone this way... regardless of whether they are illegal or not. It's morally and ethically repugnant to me.

Us with our island mentality I can see how some might become so predudiced and start banging on about walls... but America?!... the land of the free and the home of the brave? Shocking.
What's even more shocking is its those who are themselves decended from migrants or spouses are who are the least tolerant.

[Kazanne]

I found this on FB and thought it was an interesting read just to balance things out a bit,this is how a lot of Americans feel and it is thier country
President Trump said:

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of AMERICA, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks
Separately, TRUMP angered some American Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT... Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans.
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
'We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!
'Most Americans believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.
If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great AMERICAN freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE’. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country that accepted you.
NOTE:
IF we circulate this amongst ourselves, WE will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
...and for those who disagree move to a third world country and live there. "

Copied with permission from FB.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I found this on FB and thought it was an interesting read just to balance things out a bit,this is how a lot of Americans feel and it is thier country
President Trump said:

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of AMERICA, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks
Separately, TRUMP angered some American Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT... Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans.
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
'We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!
'Most Americans believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.
If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great AMERICAN freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE’. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country that accepted you.
NOTE:
IF we circulate this amongst ourselves, WE will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
...and for those who disagree move to a third world country and live there. "

Copied with permission from FB.

That doesn't balance **** out, it's just the typical 'evil muslims want us all to live under shariah law!' justification for bigotry against them. The 'article' reads like propoganda and thus it's utterly worthless. It's just trying to justify Trump's bigotry.

A word of advice, no news on facebook is ever trustworthy. It's all spin and propaganda and you've provided us with an excellent example of that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I found this on FB and thought it was an interesting read just to balance things out a bit,this is how a lot of Americans feel and it is thier country
President Trump said:

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of AMERICA, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks
Separately, TRUMP angered some American Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT... Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans.
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
'We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!
'Most Americans believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.
If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great AMERICAN freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE’. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country that accepted you.
NOTE:
IF we circulate this amongst ourselves, WE will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
...and for those who disagree move to a third world country and live there. "

Copied with permission from FB.

Sorry Kaz but that doesn't balance out anything... it's totally unrelated to his comments directed to those congresswoman.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I found this on FB and thought it was an interesting read just to balance things out a bit,this is how a lot of Americans feel and it is thier country
President Trump said:

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of AMERICA, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks
Separately, TRUMP angered some American Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT... Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans.
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
'We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!
'Most Americans believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.
If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great AMERICAN freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE’. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country that accepted you.
NOTE:
IF we circulate this amongst ourselves, WE will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
...and for those who disagree move to a third world country and live there. "

Copied with permission from FB.

...crikey that’s so not balanced...on a spectrum it would lead more toward ‘extreme’ than ‘balance’ in its intolerance...’most Americans believe in God’...and God’s belief/Christianity is in mindsets of OUR COUNTRY, OUR LIFESTYLE, OUR LAND.../...in mindsets of intolerance of other cultures, other religions..really..?...America, the land of the free...but only if you conform to being what Trump tells you to be...

[Ammi]

...strange actually that I watched this vid yesterday...’coming over here, speaking your Spanish...I hope Trump sense you off again with all of that foreignness...’.../....or such similar words...sadly when the leader of a country has such a mindset it will cause a validation in those of a similar vein......the free world is becoming less free as democracy leans its head toward dictatorship...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ery-store.html

[Ammi]

“Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.”...


...it’s funny how he’s not interested in tackling his own country’s gun laws which would help with his ‘crime infested places’...and help to protect his children of America...

[Kazanne]

Who are we to dictate how another country should be run ? We can't even run our own properly , it's always been our trouble ,let's sort our own out first before telling others what they should do with theirs.

[bots]

America does have an immigration problem, no-one is disputing that. However, Trump has turned a problem into an emergency for his own political gain, and that is not right whichever perspective one may have.

Also, when the man in charge (Trump) calls for the repatriation of legal citizens elected to congress by the people to serve their country, there is something very, very wrong.

That is what has happened and is happening now. It is our duty as a nation to call out injustice in other countries, just as we would expect other countries to come to our aid if we, the people of the UK were suffering injustice here

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

America does have an immigration problem, no-one is disputing that. However, Trump has turned a problem into an emergency for his own political gain, and that is not right whichever perspective one may have.

Also, when the man in charge (Trump) calls for the repatriation of legal citizens elected to congress by the people to serve their country, there is something very, very wrong.

That is what has happened and is happening now. It is our duty as a nation to call out injustice in other countries, just as we would expect other countries to come to our aid if we, the people of the UK were suffering injustice here

Immigration has been a problem for a long time it's not a new thing ,and not just on Trumps watch, I get what you are saying bots but when our own country is in such a state it's just seems so hypocritical to tell others how they should run theirs,we rushed into a war with Iraq and that didn't end well,I just say when we get our own house in order then we can tell others what to do .

[Ammi]

...While he’s detaining human beings in little more than caged conditions...so overcrowded that there are no room for beds and with children contracting diseases and some of them not surviving those... and all because of the conditions they are being kept in in the Western Civilised world ../..then it’s for everyone to scream out, surely....for those who are not able to do so themselves...for those who are being detained as they are, like animals...and his ‘looking after his business’ and addressing that inhumanity..?...is to state....IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT GO HOME...!,!!,...because this is me and this is what I do and I’m the boss now...well the people who he’s advocating to ‘go home’ are already home and they’re telling him, his principles and policies stink of nothing that America was built on.../...absolutely nothing...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Who are we to dictate how another country should be run ? We can't even run our own properly , it's always been our trouble ,let's sort our own out first before telling others what they should do with theirs.

UK and US politics are interwoven in a way that makes this impossible. US politics has a direct impact on the entire world, and of all of those countries, on the UK more than most. Discussing US politics *is* part of discussing UK politics... and that's more true than ever right now with us leaving the EU.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

UK and US politics are interwoven in a way that makes this impossible. US politics has a direct impact on the entire world, and of all of those countries, on the UK more than most. Discussing US politics *is* part of discussing UK politics... and that's more true than ever right now with us leaving the EU.

I'm surprised they want anything to do with us the way we mock their people.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm surprised they want anything to do with us the way we mock their people.

Yeah, we’re the bad country in this scenario obviously

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm surprised they want anything to do with us the way we mock their people.

They have literal concentration camps, Kazanne. Why are you making out that we're in the wrong for criticising flagrant human rights abuses and that we should be honoured if the US even gives us the time of day?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Who are we to dictate how another country should be run ? We can't even run our own properly , it's always been our trouble ,let's sort our own out first before telling others what they should do with theirs.

That's a pretty far climb down from "we've set up internment camps".

[Parmy]

Do you have proof that these childrens deaths are due to the conditions they are living in in the camps.. please?

[Ammi]

...I guess that’s what Trump is asking in his Snow-White House.../...his ivory tower...do you have proof that these 7 children ..(..at least..)...who are known to have died in my brand of immigration custody../..unfit for humans.. and after almost a decade in which no child reportedly died...are actually my business or any concern of mine..