[bots]

just seen a bit of the conference and it is unwatchable. The content is so dry, it just doesn't work in that setting

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

just seen a bit of the conference and it is unwatchable. The content is so dry, it just doesn't work in that setting

Yes Dodds MP not good at speaking alone
Their health view is too far away to the next Election Date.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Still gutted that the one opportunity for real change we had, was lied and smeared out of contention.

Exactly, Corbyn is a dirty word in labour now and his policies are seen as unattractive as they lead to negative press for being too left wing. However, Corbyns policies were very popular and Kier himself was elected on a socialist mandate, they are just terrified of being aligned with Corbyn due to the unwarranted media drubbing that would accompany a direct correlation of policy.

Youtube video

[arista]

[Tom4784]

Keir Starmer seems fine and Labour seems to be improving but it doesn't matter because the media will never allow Labour to win an election over their beloved Boris.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Keir Starmer seems fine and Labour seems to be improving but it doesn't matter because the media will never allow Labour to win an election over their beloved Boris.

i don't see Boris continuing for much longer, i would say he will be gone by March. Then it's anyones guess how things will pan out

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't see Boris continuing for much longer, i would say he will be gone by March. Then it's anyones guess how things will pan out

We can only hope, but I don't doubt that the Tory dominance will continue, if the pandemic and how it's been handled isn't enough to turn the tides against them, I don't know if anything will.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Keir Starmer seems fine and Labour seems to be improving but it doesn't matter because the media will never allow Labour to win an election over their beloved Boris.

The BBC Murdoch documentary really hammers home how true this is. I mean, it is BBC so it's not ENTIRELY without anti-Murdoch-Media bias, but it points to a few things that are just undeniable. The UK printed press still holds vast sway over UK politics and has effectively nudged every election the way they want it for decades.

That said, it also shows that it is inherently self-serving and will bend whichever way suits at the time; it's not impossible for them to turn on the Tories under the right circumstances. Tony Blair effectively persuaded Murdoch to back New Labour in the tabloids and it lead to an easy decade in power for Labour.

[bots]

What we are missing are shows like spitting image (i know it's making a comeback, but it won't be the same) where they had scenes with Maggie Thatcher using the urinal and and thousands of other glorious moments. We need satire to properly expose political party's for what they are

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What we are missing are shows like spitting image (i know it's making a comeback, but it won't be the same) where they had scenes with Maggie Thatcher using the urinal and and thousands of other glorious moments. We need satire to properly expose political party's for what they are

As the South Park guys said about Trump; it's very hard to make satire out of something that is already ludicrous. When what looks like a massively exaggerated satire is just the actual situation, and the actual people involved are already living caricatures.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As the South Park guys said about Trump; it's very hard to make satire out of something that is already ludicrous. When what looks like a massively exaggerated satire is just the actual situation, and the actual people involved are already living caricatures.

tbh Trump has pretty much killed comedy, or at least political comedy. Impressions of him and jokes about him are just not funny, and it wastes time that could be spent on other things. It'd be ludicrous to say Trump Jokes are "punching down" but it's still like making fun of knock-knock jokes.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Keir Starmer seems fine and Labour seems to be improving but it doesn't matter because the media will never allow Labour to win an election over their beloved Boris.

I disagree with this. If you look at Starmers agenda, he seems to be talking more about being tough on crime than social inequality. That's exactly how you get the RW press to give you a chance.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I disagree with this. If you look at Starmers agenda, he seems to be talking more about being tough on crime than social inequality. That's exactly how you get the RW press to give you a chance.

But it won't matter because they'll just snap him eating a sandwich and be like 'do you trust a man who eats his sandwiches like this to run the country?!' and it'll work.

The only way Labour gets back in is if they out-tory the tories, because that's what the media wants, Tory governance protects the interests of the rich and powerful, labour governments that aren't bluecoats dressed in red do not.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But it won't matter because they'll just snap him eating a sandwich and be like 'do you trust a man who eats his sandwiches like this to run the country?!' and it'll work.

The only way Labour gets back in is if they out-tory the tories, because that's what the media wants, Tory governance protects the interests of the rich and powerful, labour governments that aren't bluecoats dressed in red do not.

It's always about the agenda, not the party. The last bit is exactly my point, a labour that moves right like Blair and Starmer will be welcomed, a party that fights for the original concerns of a labour party will be smeared.

It's why why the labour antisemitism smears originate from when Miliband (a jew) changed the party's stance towards Israel/Palestine.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's always about the agenda, not the party. The last bit is exactly my point, a labour that moves right like Blair and Starmer will be welcomed, a party that fights for the original concerns of a labour party will be smeared.

Yep, Blair wined & dined Murdoch for months. As did Cameron...

[arista]

Sir Kier is live tomorrow BBC2HD 9AM

Politics Live special.

[arista]

Sir Kier Speech is now 9AM BBC2HD


As the PM is in Parliament
around 12:30PM

[joeysteele]

The set they are speaking from is awful.

They needed a far better backdrop, to grab attention.
Especially with no audience atmosphere present.

[bots]

they needed to do the same as they did with the football ... simulated crowd noise .... oooohhh ... ahhhhh .... clap clap clap

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they needed to do the same as they did with the football ... simulated crowd noise .... oooohhh ... ahhhhh .... clap clap clap

Well something at least other than that boring background which has nothing eye-catching about it.

Although often at Labour conferences, applauding can be replaced be jeering.
Which is what I like to see.
You can't have a room filled with people and they all agree with everything said.

I hate the usual format of stage managed conference setting too.
However the background setting is at least more eye catching then.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they needed to do the same as they did with the football ... simulated crowd noise .... oooohhh ... ahhhhh .... clap clap clap

I've found the noise they can use for the HoC simulated full house!

Youtube video

[arista]

His 9AM speech was OK
but told me nothing new


One problem Sir Kier
has, like Corbyn
he hates conflicts.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[Keir Starmer: Boris Johnson has
‘lost control’ of Covid-19 pandemic

[Labour leader blasts government for its lack
of leadership and U-turns,
as he outlines his own five-point plan to fight the virus


Johnson has “lost control” of the fight against
Covid-19 and has no clear strategy
for defeating the virus,
the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, says today
in his most savage attack yet on the government’s
handling of the pandemic.
As the number of confirmed cases rose
alarmingly yesterday,
Starmer accused the prime minister
of “serial incompetence”,
saying the British people have been let down
and left angry and confused by policies that
change almost every week.]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...id-19-pandemic


Look Keir
you have 4 years for a General Election
You appear to be getting nasty?