[LeatherTrumpet]

[Liam-]

Funny that

[LeatherTrumpet]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That occurred after he had already shot someone in the head, those people that ‘attacked’ him, were trying to disarm him

How'd you know that? Last I heard the relative chronology of the clip was unclear.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It wasn't even his state

[Liam-]

Hence why he was running and people chased him.

Right wingers who are desperate for protesters’ blood to be spilled are purposefully misrepresenting the order.

He killed two people, he shot two people after he was chased and one just had an arm wound, hence he had already murdered someone before that happened.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Denver

It wasn't even his state

And that's not even our country People can dislike rioting- and murder- in places they're not from.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Hence why he was running and people chased him.

Right wingers who are desperate for protesters’ blood to be spilled are purposefully misrepresenting the order.

He killed two people, he shot two people after he was chased and one just had an arm wound, hence he had already murdered someone before that happened.

All that shows is him running and no-one even looking at him.

So it's looking like one count of murder and one killing in self-defence...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And that's not even our country People can dislike rioting- and murder- in places they're not from.

I notice how you mentioned rioting first (and in place of what it actually is, protesting) like it's justification for the latter. You really do not like acknowledging that it's protesters being murdered, do you?

As Liam noted, the protests went on last night without racist armed militia and it was peaceful. Instead of banging on about rioters, you should consider that it's racists stirring up trouble to demonise the protesters and you're just helping that by refusing acknowledge protests for what they are. It makes it easier for you to blame the protesters for dying if you consider them rioters, I suppose.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Imagine bending over backwards to defend a racist murderer.

Anyone who believes he came from another state to 'protect property' is very ****ing gullible and easily led. He came to shoot people who suggested that black lives matter, to shoot people who 'dared' think that a black person should be considered equal to a white person.

Why are you so hellbent on minimalising racism?

I've not once defended the act of murder I'm just not leaping to conclusions about his motives. Seems more likely he's a moronic wannabe vigilante.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

All that shows is him running and no-one even looking at him.

So it's looking like one count of murder and one killing in self-defence...

If he wouldn't have done the killing, the self defense wouldn't have been necessary. He'll have a tough time trying to make that argument in court as it's nonsensical.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

All that shows is him running and no-one even looking at him.

So it's looking like one count of murder and one killing in self-defence...

You can hear him in the video saying ‘I just killed someone’ on the phone while he runs from the scene, the other videos catch him running and being chased, it’s really not hard logic.

And murdering someone who’s trying to disarm you after killing someone isn’t self defence..

[Liam-]

Besides that, he was carrying that gun illegally, so I don’t really think self defence will wash when he shouldn’t have had the gun in the first place

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Besides that, he was carrying that gun illegally, so I don’t really think self defence will wash when he shouldn’t have had the gun in the first place

Go on a murderous rampage of killing 200 people. 1 murder, 199 self defences.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I notice how you mentioned rioting first (and in place of what it actually is, protesting) like it's justification for the latter.

Nope, not justification. I mentioned it first because Adam said "it wasn't his state" in response to the video LT posted -the video where the guy didn't denounce BLM or say anything racist. It looks like he was against the riots, and took it too far, ending up in murder. He absolutely should face justice for the unprovoked killing. It's his reasons for being there I'm pondering.

[Liam-]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If he wouldn't have done the killing, the self defense wouldn't have been necessary. He'll have a tough time trying to make that argument in court as it's nonsensical.

If the riots hadn't kicked off or the police stepped in sooner and got them under control, he'd have no excuse to run around with a gun.

[Liam-]

He was there because groups like that have been calling for ‘patriots’ to stand up and fight against the ‘terrorists’

The right are radicalising people to walk the streets and kill people they don’t agree with, it’s barbaric

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've not once defended the act of murder I'm just not leaping to conclusions about his motives. Seems more likely he's a moronic wannabe vigilante.

You're downplaying the racism side of things and avoid referring to protesters as protesters, instead referring to them as rioters. You keep mentioning about property damage and this man 'defending property' which in itself is downplaying what is a double murder on his part which you, whether consciously or not, are trying to absolve him of blame by painting it as self defense and by constantly referring to protesters as rioters.

I see what you're doing and I will continue to call it out.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If the riots hadn't kicked off or the police stepped in sooner and got them under control, he'd have no excuse to run around with a gun.

And there it is, the justification AND the defense of this murderer's actions. It's all the PROTESTERS' fault for PROTESTING.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If the riots hadn't kicked off or the police stepped in sooner and got them under control, he'd have no excuse to run around with a gun.

Rioting or protesting isn’t an excuse for nutjobs to roam the streets with machine guns and shoot people, what part of that are you not getting? Starting fires or smashing windows is not punishable by death, making excuses for private citizens to act like private armies and shoot civilians is honestly so bizarre

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He was there because groups like that have been calling for ‘patriots’ to stand up and fight against the ‘terrorists’

The right are radicalising people to walk the streets and kill people they don’t agree with, it’s barbaric

Obviously they weren't terrorists, but no-one wants their areas destroyed by rioters.

Sometimes there are no good people in a given situation.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And there it is, the justification AND the defense of this murderer's actions. It's all the PROTESTERS' fault for PROTESTING.

Not the protesters, only the rioters. Some of us differentiate between the two

And once again, I've still not defended his actions.

[Liam-]

I’d rather rioters than actual murders shooting people I the street tbh, human lives are worth more than buildings, it’s a shame people refuse to believe it

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You're downplaying the racism side of things

Which there's not any proof for.