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joeysteele · 17-03-2021, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kate!

I believe Meghan.

So do I.

It's sad there's doubt cast on it by any who have seen it in their loved ones.
It's hard to believe that's even possible once seeing it in our own loved ones, family, friends or neighbours.
It's why I can feel empathy and care that Meghan Markle has got or is getting through it.

You're on a hiding to nothing likely Kate however but I admire your empathy towards Meghan Markle.
My guess is you'd feel the same for anyone saying they were suffering it too.

AnnieK · 17-03-2021, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jet

Do I worry about Meghan? No I do not.
Who I have concern for is the Queen and Philip, who after 70 years of devoted service to the country are having their last years of life disrupted mercilessly by a manipulating, selfish, vindictive little narcissist and her brainwashed puppet.

I think the Queen and Philip will be fairly shielded from a lot of what is going on, I can't see them glued to the TV or tabloids, they have people to filter much of the rubbish and will be briefed in case any reporters question them as they did William although, I hope the journos would not question The Queen. They have faced worse in their reign....they are being supported by much of the the public in this country, they are not facing the public backlash faced after Diana's death and their handling of that. I would imagine they are more embarrassed and concerned about the possible damage to the monarchy that Andrew's association with Epstein and co. could have rather than worry themselves too much about ex Royals.

LukeB · 17-03-2021, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

So do I.

It's sad there's doubt cast on it by any who have seen it in their loved ones.
It's hard to believe that's even possible once seeing it in our own loved ones, family, friends or neighbours.
It's why I can feel empathy and care that Meghan Markle has got or is getting through it.

You're on a hiding to nothing likely Kate however but I admire your empathy towards Meghan Markle.
My guess is you'd feel the same for anyone saying they were suffering it too.

Me too

Mental health shouldn't be dismissed or downplayed because you don't like the person and it shouldn't even be questioned. It's a very serious thing and it's quite dangerous to downplay it. People don't speak up because of others being ignorant about it.

Tom4784 · 17-03-2021, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh here we go,no one hates her, just some people do not believe her,its simple really .

It's utter insanity to attempt gaslight everyone with eyes into thinking that there's no hatred for this woman, and it's self serving to attempt to do so.

There is hatred for Meghan, people are just desperately closing their eyes to it because they've contributed to it. Facts are facts, and your outrage doesn't invalidate the facts.

Kate! · 17-03-2021, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

So do I.

It's sad there's doubt cast on it by any who have seen it in their loved ones.
It's hard to believe that's even possible once seeing it in our own loved ones, family, friends or neighbours.
It's why I can feel empathy and care that Meghan Markle has got or is getting through it.

You're on a hiding to nothing likely Kate however but I admire your empathy towards Meghan Markle.
My guess is you'd feel the same for anyone saying they were suffering it too.

Yes I'm getting a bit of a pasting Joey

but you can't please all of the people......

joeysteele · 17-03-2021, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

And how do you know she is telling the truth. You don't as you say none of us know what's going on in her mind it might be the truth and it may not.its nothing like Diana imo.

So you are indicating you don't believe her then, despite what you said to me.
.I give up.

That's exactly the attitude that stops people revealing they do have issues.
For the fear it will not be believed.
Hey, I'm done.

Kazanne · 17-03-2021, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

So do I.

It's sad there's doubt cast on it by any who have seen it in their loved ones.
It's hard to believe that's even possible once seeing it in our own loved ones, family, friends or neighbours.
It's why I can feel empathy and care that Meghan Markle has got or is getting through it.

You're on a hiding to nothing likely Kate however but I admire your empathy towards Meghan Markle.
My guess is you'd feel the same for anyone saying they were suffering it too.

We see it in our loved ones because they are close to us we love them we have that contact and know them,we touch and feel for them we talk to them, once again I will say, I have empathy and feel sorry for others but a loved one will always be a priority for me anyway.

Tom4784 · 17-03-2021, 09:11 PM

It's utterly grotesque to doubt someone if they tell you they suffer with mental health issues and/or suicidal thoughts, doubly so when people only think she's lying because they can't separate their hatred from reality.

Meghan Markle is not Voldemort, Kim Tate, Nurse Ratched, Cruella Deville etc. She's not an avatar for hatred, she's a person and she knows her own struggles better than anyone here does.

If someone tells you they are struggling, that they've had dark thoughts, you don't dismiss them. That's just a lack of basic decency.

Kate! · 17-03-2021, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

We see it in our loved ones because they are close to us we love them we have that contact and know them,we touch and feel for them we talk to them, once again I will say, I have empathy and feel sorry for others but a loved one will always be a priority for me anyway.

Loved ones will also always be a priority for me too. Thats indisputable. But you have no empathy at all towards Meghan who has publicly reached out and admitted shes got problems?

Kazanne · 17-03-2021, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

So you are indicating you don't believe her then, despite what you said to me.
.I give up.

That's exactly the attitude that stops people revealing they do have issues.
For the fear it will not be believed.
Hey, I'm done.

I have not said I dont believe her , I said we don't know if she's telling the truth she may or not be,I have never said I dont like her just pointing out not everything is so black and white.

joeysteele · 17-03-2021, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

We see it in our loved ones because they are close to us we love them we have that contact and know them,we touch and feel for them we talk to them, once again I will say, I have empathy and feel sorry for others but a loved one will always be a priority for me anyway.

Nah, sorry.
If I saw someone suffering, as I have with mental health, I had a friend who was ridiculed everytime he went out from rotten cold people.

There is no way, knowing their pain they had and anguish.
Where I could dismiss others just because I don't know them.

No one's asking anyone to DO anything for Meghan Markle or anyone they don't know.
Just to have the decency from experience of our own loved ones to accept their word.
Not dismiss or call them liars.

Would you have liked your loved ones issues being dismissed by others calling them liars.
What would you think of those that did that to your loved ones too.

Kate! · 17-03-2021, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh here we go,no one hates her, just some people do not believe her,its simple really .

this does really sound like you don't believe her tbh.

Kazanne · 17-03-2021, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kate!

Loved ones will also always be a priority for me too. Thats indisputable. But you have no empathy at all towards Meghan who has publicly reached out and admitted shes got problems?

Don't tell me who I dont have empathy for I have already said I feel sorry for people,in that situation,what do you want us to do? I am not here to curry favour you asked a question I answered it I won't bother again.

hijaxers · 17-03-2021, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh here we go,no one hates her, just some people do not believe her,its simple really .

Exactly right its not about hating her its about her truth not being the real truth, so stop turning a difference of opinion into hate.

Kazanne · 17-03-2021, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kate!

this does really sound like you don't believe her tbh.

Think what you want,its really pointless trying to debate on this

rusticgal · 17-03-2021, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kate!

How do you know?

None of us truly know what is going on in her mind but I believe her interview was true honest and heartfelt.

It reminds me so much of Diana. Thats why I'm making the comparison.

No we don’t know what’s going on in her mind. You believed her....I’m afraid I didn’t.
Like I said before...I think she is fully in control and knows exactly what she is doing. We all form our opinions on what we see and we all see different.
Diana was truly alone and truly vulnerable...she was so young compared to Meghan...she had a husband that loved another woman and simply wasn’t there for her. Meghan has Harry at her side and a host of friends...she’s 39 and I’m sure she came up against a lot in the industry she was in. In addition to that she has done a lot in her life and seen REAL suffering...even the desire to do the pathetic interview and on the back of everyone who dares say a bad word about her, tells me she is very astute. None of that speaks of vulnerability.
So I don’t buy it.

As for those that say those that disagree are ignorant of mental health are ignorant themselves...because they know nothing about the lives and experiences of other TIBB members.

Kate! · 17-03-2021, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Think what you want,its really pointless trying to debate on this

Yes go on. Run along cos I'm not being beaten into Submission

Kazanne · 17-03-2021, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Nah, sorry.
If I saw someone suffering, as I have with mental health, I had a friend who was ridiculed everytime he went out from rotten cold people.

There is no way, knowing their pain they had and anguish.
Where I could dismiss others just because I don't know them.

No one's asking anyone to DO anything for Meghan Markle or anyone they don't know.
Just to have the decency from experience of our own loved ones to accept their word.
Not dismiss or call them liars.

Would you have liked your loved ones issues being dismissed by others calling them liars.
What would you think of those that did that to your loved ones too.

I have not called her a liar, but never mind eh?

joeysteele · 17-03-2021, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kate!

this does really sound like you don't believe her tbh.

It's really sad.
What hope REALLY is there for to remove the stigma of mental health and suicidal issues in this Country.

If those who have witnessed it and dealt with it in their own loved ones
Can be so cold and dismiss others concerns as to their mental health.

I've NEVER doubted Meghan Markle's account of her being in that frightening dark place.
You can't when you've seen it in your own loved ones.
You know how hard it is to just eventually admit you have the issues.
Never mind seek help.
Hence some take their own lives thinking they won't be believed.

That's pretty heartless and cruel.

Cherie · 17-03-2021, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

No we don’t know what’s going on in her mind. You believed her....I’m afraid I didn’t.
Like I said before...I think she is fully in control and knows exactly what she is doing. We all form our opinions on what we see and we all see different.
Diana was truly alone and truly vulnerable...she was so young compared to Meghan...she had a husband that loved another woman and simply wasn’t there for her. Meghan has Harry at her side and a host of friends...she’s 39 and I’m sure she came up against a lot in the industry she was in. In addition to that she has done a lot in her life and seen REAL suffering...even the desire to do the pathetic interview and on the back of everyone who dares say a bad word about her, tells me she is very astute. None of that speaks of vulnerability.
So I don’t buy it.

As for those that say those that disagree are ignorant of mental health are ignorant themselves...because they know nothing about the lives and experiences of other TIBB members.

Here here Rusti

Tom4784 · 17-03-2021, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hijaxers

Exactly right its not about hating her its about her truth not being the real truth, so stop turning a difference of opinion into hate.

To think that no one in the world hates her is a very naive thought, and just plain wrong.

You should ask yourself, how you can look at this situation, if you put your own personal biases aside, and make out that she isn't a hate figure. You should ask yourself why you are trying to downplay the hatred of her and make out that it doesn't exist.

The fact that Meghan is hated by many people in the UK should not really be an issue, but there's a reason why people want to downplay it.

I wonder what it is...