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Marsh. · 28-09-2021, 03:46 PM

Frontline health care workers are, of course, important and that can be addressed without needing to be derogatory towards staff who work in fast food as "burger flippers" or any other inane insult. It isn't a good look.

arista · 28-09-2021, 06:19 PM

The Floor Voted for £15 an hour,
against Starmer's wishes.

Tomorrow midday is Keir Starmer's long speech.

Ch4HDnews report.

joeysteele · 28-09-2021, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

The Floor Voted for £15 an hour,
against Starmer's wishes.

Tomorrow midday is Keir Starmer's long speech.

Ch4HDnews report.

I agreed with bots you can't make figures now at this time stick really.
As no one knows what the situation will be in months never mind years.

With an election up to 18 months to near 3 years away.
Any figure could be obsolete.

This government planned by the time of the next election to have the min wage of around £9.50.

In fact, by the time we get to 2023 or 2024, depending on inflation and other elements.
It could be £15 could amount to a pay cut, not rise.

We are years off an election.
This vote today may have no meaning at all in a couple of years time.

Plus were Labour to be in a position to be a minority or coalition with the SNP.
Even a £15 min wage level, would only need to be implemented 'sometime' from the first year of government to the fifth.

All this furore over £5, is ridiculous.

My guess would be a figure of more like £12 to £13: would make more sense by the next election, if no more unexpected events occur that is.

bots · 28-09-2021, 06:41 PM

Keir doesn't need to implement anything so the vote was quite meaningless. All it did was expose the divisions there are in the party. People can call it democracy, but all it does is create a bad impression. This conference has been a complete disaster for labour, and I will guarantee that the Tory conference next week will present a united front, whether the members agree or not. Perception is everything. Will the public vote for a rabble that cant agree on anything or a party with a plan. It's a no brainer

joeysteele · 28-09-2021, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Keir doesn't need to implement anything so the vote was quite meaningless. All it did was expose the divisions there are in the party. People can call it democracy, but all it does is create a bad impression. This conference has been a complete disaster for labour, and I will guarantee that the Tory conference next week will present a united front, whether the members agree or not. Perception is everything. Will the public vote for a rabble that cant agree on anything or a party with a plan. It's a no brainer

There's divisions in all Parties, the only difference is Labour's aren't hidden.
If they were of course we'd be called being deceitful.

All through it's history Labour has been in conflict with its differing wings.

George Brown was a thorn in the side of Harold Wilson apparently.
He was his Deputy PM even all that time ago in the 60s.

Somehow eventually they do and can come together.
It takes however a strong sort of leader.
Even Kinnock has his conflicts with a lot in his party.

Corbyn couldn't unite and neither is Starmer.
We've the wrong leader.

Then again I think all Parties except for the SNP have the wrong leader anyhow.

Oliver_W · 28-09-2021, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agreed with bots you can't make figures now at this time stick really.
As no one knows what the situation will be in months never mind years.

With an election up to 18 months to near 3 years away.
Any figure could be obsolete.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Keir doesn't need to implement anything so the vote was quite meaningless.

I think the term "virtue signal" is overused, but in this case it literally is a virtue signal.

Although if we're being technical, anything said by the party at this point is a virtue signal, as they won't potentially be in a position to implement anything for years : joker: but it's easy to say PAY MCDONALD'S STAFF FIFTEEN QUID when they're miles away from being able to do anything about it.