[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Barry.

So you are saying a trans person is wrong but you are right? Hmm ok, got it.

In this particular case, I'm not the one with gender-based body dysmorphia, so yes, I'm right and they're wrong.

In the same way that someone with an eating disorder might believe they're fat, when they're ... clearly not.

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In this particular case, I'm not the one with gender-based body dysmorphia, so yes, I'm right and they're wrong.

In the same way that someone with an eating disorder might believe they're fat, when they're ... clearly not.

There’s a big difference between an eating disorder and trans, you are really being beyond what you think you know.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Which makes me able to be objective.

In what world is a mental clash between mind and body not a mental illness?

Would you say eating disorders aren't either?



Well they would say that as they are trans

I've noticed even on NHS website they're tip toeing around the definition of trans/ gender dysphoria. We all know it's how they feel but it's still psychological condition aswell. And other issues usually get diagnosed aswell as ie depression ,anxiety etc .

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Barry.

The first line here even says it’s not a mental illness

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...-mental-health

Can you copy and paste the whole article please.

[Liam-]

It’s a very particular sort of sad to see gay men spout off the same nonsense about trans people that was peddled not all that long ago about gay people to demonise and dehumanise trans people

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

to demonise and dehumanise trans people

I'm not demonising or dehumanising them. This stigmatisation of people with mental disorders is sad.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s a very particular sort of sad to see gay men spout off the same nonsense about trans people that was peddled not all that long ago about gay people to demonise and dehumanise trans people

So because not all gay people agree with you , therefore it's "demonising" & "nonsense" ?? . You just want a hive mind set of followers.

A lesbian is basically told she's 'transphobic' for not wanting to date a biological man aka trans woman , that's what it's come to now . Yet you say they're "dehumanising tans" ?!.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

So because not all gay people agree with you , therefore it's "demonising" & "nonsense" ?? . You just want a hive mind set of followers.

A lesbian is basically told she's 'transphobic' for not wanting to date a biological man aka trans woman , that's what it's come to now . Yet you say they're "dehumanising tans" ?!.

Nobody should be telling anybody else what their sexual preferences should be imo.

Like in your example a lesbian isn't Transphobic for not wanting to date a Transwoman imo, however being hostile to her for being a Transwoman would be Transphobic.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s a very particular sort of sad to see gay men spout off the same nonsense about trans people that was peddled not all that long ago about gay people to demonise and dehumanise trans people

The conflation of gender and sexuality is quite odd as they have very little in common as psychosocial concepts, especially when it comes to social integration. Sexuality is 100% internal and an individual's sexuality is personal and has no bearing on anything other than their own private life and relationships. Gender, on the other hand, is a social construct that is 100% rooted in external presentation and observation. NOTHING AT ALL hat affects anyone other than those involved has to structurally change in society to accommodate homosexuality. The idea that that is also true with trans issues, that it's the same, is one of the biggest lies peddled by LGBTQ, and really undermines the reasons that the oppression of and refusal to legally acknowledge homosexual couples was so awful in the first place. That it affected no one else, people just "didn't like it".

I would note that, largely, societal acceptance was exactly the same on trans issues until there was a clear and determined push on aspects that did affect other people (namely, women) with a refusal to debate and discuss those issues in a collaborative way ... just a "we want, we want now". Borrowed from the gay rights movement, where again, it WAS reasonable to say that, there was no real reason for discussion because no one was affected.

I'm sure the response will just be along the lines of "nah it's the same no one is affected by people just living their lives you just want to erase trans existence for some reason" but again ... it's a lie. A really damaging lie.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The conflation of gender and sexuality is quite odd as they have very little in common as psychosocial concepts, especially when it comes to social integration. Sexuality is 100% internal and an individual's sexuality is personal and has no bearing on anything other than their own private life and relationships. Gender, on the other hand, is a social construct that is 100% rooted in external presentation and observation. NOTHING AT ALL hat affects anyone other than those involved has to structurally change in society to accommodate homosexuality. The idea that that is also true with trans issues, that it's the same, is one of the biggest lies peddled by LGBTQ, and really undermines the reasons that the oppression of and refusal to legally acknowledge homosexual couples was so awful in the first place. That it affected no one else, people just "didn't like it".

I would note that, largely, societal acceptance was exactly the same on trans issues until there was a clear and determined push on aspects that did affect other people (namely, women) with a refusal to debate and discuss those issues in a collaborative way ... just a "we want, we want now". Borrowed from the gay rights movement, where again, it WAS reasonable to say that, there was no real reason for discussion because no one was affected.

I'm sure the response will just be along the lines of "nah it's the same no one is affected by people just living their lives you just want to erase trans existence for some reason" but again ... it's a lie. A really damaging lie.

Yep.

There's not even any point in saying the same **** over and over again because Liam just likes to gaslight and pretend women don't really care about our rights, we just hate transpeople existing......because that's much more likely isn't it? We can't possibly care about girls and women being put in dangerous and unfair positions in sport no no no it must be that we hate transwomen. We couldn't possibly be concerned for vulnerable womens safety in prisons or rape crisis shelters or for girls and women where they might be in a state of undress like changing rooms etc, nope just hate transwomen........

Pointless.

[arista]

[Parmy]

Lesbians are being attacked by trans activists, because lesbians don't want to share toilets with men.

[Liam-]

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque

"Invade their personal life" - if they're openly trans at school then it's not their personal life, it's their public life. And thus for the school to not openly discuss that with parents, they would be actively engaging in keeping an aspect of that child's openly public school social life "a secret" from their family.

I agree that they shouldn't send an announcement email for no reason at all but the idea that it should be "kept hush hush" during communication with parents is bizarre. What pronouns should the school use in communication with the parents? What name should they use at parents evening if Kylie is known to them on a daily basis as Kevin?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

private life

Private Life!

Originally Posted by Liam-

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque

Do you think a school should also keep it secret if a child is sticking their fingers down their throat after every meal? Or if they're taking drugs, even if those drugs don't currently cause them overt health or personal issues?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque

That makes no sense at all, so getting in touch with a parent if their child is being bullied, showing signs of an eating disorder, showing signs of mental health issuses, having issues with other students is protection but gettiing in touch with a parent who will find out anyway that their child wants to be another gender is not protection...I really dont get it...you are coming from the point of view that all parents will batter their kids senseless which is likely not to happen, .what will the teacher do on parents evening side eye the kid and mouth 'what do I call you in front of Mom and Dad'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That makes no sense at all, so getting in touch with a parent if their child is being bullied, showing signs of an eating disorder, showing signs of mental health issuses, having issues with other students is protection but gettiing in touch with a parent who will find out anyway that their child wants to be another gender is not protection...I really dont get it...you are coming from the point of view that all parents will batter their kids senseless which is likely not to happen, .what will the teacher do on parents evening side eye the kid and mouth 'what do I call you in front of Mom and Dad'

its kind of cut and paste reply from twitter territory...

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That makes no sense at all, so getting in touch with a parent if their child is being bullied, showing signs of an eating disorder, showing signs of mental health issuses, having issues with other students is protection but gettiing in touch with a parent who will find out anyway that their child wants to be another gender is not protection...I really dont get it...you are coming from the point of view that all parents will batter their kids senseless which is likely not to happen, .what will the teacher do on parents evening side eye the kid and mouth 'what do I call you in front of Mom and Dad'

Yes, if a child is being bullied, shows signs of abuse, shows signs of drug use, shows signs of deteriorating health, they are all appropriate things to notify parents over, because not doing so could be detrimental, being forced to notify parents if they overhear a student or their friends referring to them by a different name or pronouns, is not now, or ever be an appropriate thing to get involved in because it’s got nothing to do with them or their duties.

I haven’t said anywhere that all parents will abuse their children at all and you know that, I’ve very clearly said that these kids will be exposed to the possibility of abuse and that should be what people are concerned about, not parents so called rights to know and control absolutely everything about their child, it is not a schools place to put children to potentially abusive or negligent parents and it never will be

[Crimson Dynamo]

They need to bring back corporal punishment

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

corporal punishment

Corporal Punishment!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They need to bring back corporal punishment

Alison Mack is on TIBB.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

[arista]

2 Trans are on
tonights 8PM Naked Education Ch4HD

[Parmy]

A trans child is likely to suffer everything you have listed above Liam. So the school can then phone the parents to come in for a chat to discuss what's causing it.

[Oliver_W]

People who identify as trans have a high co-morbodity rate with other mental disorders, and there's also a correlation with sexual abuse, particularly with girls who identify as boys or nonbinary.