[emseateng2014]

donnie j trump is like the mad king from game of thrones and the emperor from star wars

[Parmy]

At least it will stop the Russian subs circling the top of Scotland.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Livia

The USA already has a military base in Greenland. They have around 40 in Germany, a dozen in the UK... It's hard to understand why they've chosen to antagonise the Danes when I'm pretty sure building more bases on Greenland with Danish approval is surely the way to go.

The Danish may be nice enough to us, but that doesn't go very far in the environment we are in now where hostile powers are growing and not much had been done about it. They're not going to be on the hook for defense if Russia crosses a line.

We are where we are partially because we've had all these smaller countries with no real military power politically veto many of the solutions to problems because they prefer to live in an ideal world and now have an ideology tethered to it. Our enemies have taken advantage of this. Ex: It's reasonable and normal to place checks & balances on the transfer of people and property across the border because it is a national security threat.

There's a psychological side effect also, is that it's putting our enemies firmly on notice and putting a pin in the map. It's also telling allies to stop interfering with whatever idealistic neurosis they come up with next and start actually treating our enemies like a real threat. Tackling Venezuela puts countries like Cuba and Mexico on notice, which is sensible as they're both narco-states and any sense of diplomacy will simply be ignored by them. Just mentioning possibly acquiring Greenland is a simple enough signal to Russia that we do take the threat seriously, so that may be enough to deescalate, at least somewhat.

Whatever I think of more American interference (much bigger topic), there's at least a reasoning behind it. The alternative is we close up our borders entirely and then leave the world to rest of it. That's a possibility that is always being weighed, I think.

[arista]

[arista]

[The Trump administration has threatened
to use the US military to seize Greenland
in an extraordinary new statement
escalating tensions with NATO ally Denmark.

Donald Trump and his top advisers are exploring
plans including purchasing the Danish territory
or taking charge of its defense,
a senior administration official said.
The White House added menacingly that
'utilizing the US military is always an option'
and warned that the issue is 'not going away'
despite the protests of NATO leaders.]


[White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said:
'President Trump has made it well known that
acquiring Greenland is a national security priority
*of the United States, and it's vital ​to deter
our adversaries in the Arctic region.

'The president and his team are discussing a range
of options to pursue this important
foreign policy goal, ⁠and of course,
Utilising the US military is always an option
at the commander-in-chief's disposal.'

Trump hinted on Sunday that a decision
on Greenland may come 'in about two months,
' once the situation in Venezuela has stabilized.]

[arista]

[Snow-covered buildings in Nuuk, Greenland,
on March 7, 2025]

[Benjamin]

And FIFA awarded this man a peace award…

[arista]

[Earlier, Britain's Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer
and French President Emmanuel Macron earlier
issued a joint statement along with the leaders
of Germany, Italy, Poland and Spain vowing to
defend Greenland's territorial integrity.

Danish PM Mette Frederiksen has warned that efforts
to take over the territory by force would mean
the end of the NATO military alliance.

The British PM and other leaders called
America an 'essential partner' and added
that the US and Denmark had signed
a defense agreement in 1951.

'Greenland belongs to its people. It is for
Denmark and Greenland, and them only,
to decide on matters concerning Denmark
and Greenland,' they said.
Europe's backing came after White House
deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller
cast doubt on the legitimacy of Denmark's territorial claim
over Greenland in an interview with CNN on Monday night.

He also said there was 'no need' to consider
whether the US might carry out a military operation
to take it over because 'nobody is going to fight the
US militarily over the future of Greenland'. ]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...territory.html

[arista]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

And FIFA awarded this man a peace award…

Of Course
a Football Award

[Benjamin]

We all know Trump doesn’t want Greenland for USA security. If he was worried about security he’d work with the Dane’s, not against them.

What he wants is the minerals and shipping lanes for the USA.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

We all know Trump doesn’t want Greenland for USA security. If he was worried about security he’d work with the Dane’s, not against them.

What he wants is the minerals and shipping lanes for the USA.

Yes, looks that way Ben.

[Benjamin]

The poor people of Greenland though. They had little to worry about until Trump, and now they’re living in constant fear of what’s to come.

[arista]

But Trump may pay them all.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by arista

But Trump may pay them all.

Hasn’t he got cheques to write for his own people?

[arista]

President Trump
Now considering going into Greenland by force.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

We all know Trump doesn’t want Greenland for USA security. If he was worried about security he’d work with the Dane’s, not against them.

What he wants is the minerals and shipping lanes for the USA.

Minerals will be strategically vital because without that, the US can't expand the tech sector, ie good bye AI arms race. We are already at risk because the nations that control supply already aren't keen on us.

Saw a clip where Trump was talking about all the wars he might possibly start and Lindsey Graham was utterly ecstatic next to him. Disconcerting.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by arista

President Trump
Now considering going into Greenland by force.

That is the president of the United States. The actual state of it

[bots]

If he sends in troops and there are casualties on either side, the world is going to self-destruct

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

If he sends in troops and there are casualties on either side, the world is going to self-destruct

…in some ways Greenland feels a bit like a look over there diversion, not that he wouldn’t love to send in the troops as you say, I’m sure he would but he also knows that his ‘Greenland focus’ will absorb the world attention so that he can then do something ‘less expected’ and it’s done before the world can blink…

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by arista

But Trump may pay them all.

There’s more to life than money. I’m sure most would rather not have the money if it means USA being in charge of them.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

There’s more to life than money. I’m sure most would rather not have the money if it means USA being in charge of them.

No. They don't need to live under this kind of fear and money won't bring back security. Can you imagine.

[bots]

It's the end of the world order that we have been used to since WW2. Whether Trump invades Greenland or not, trust has gone. Countries like Germany will put all their efforts into building nukes because that becomes the only deterrent. Every country will focus on getting nukes and we know where that will end

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

There’s more to life than money. I’m sure most would rather not have the money if it means USA being in charge of them.

The Danes would still be in charge of the population and running of Greenland. America would be in charge of defence, which the EU and the UK, if they didn't have their fingers in their ears would understand is a very very important thing for our protection surrounding the unpredictability of Putin.


It basically must happen to ensure that safety, Russia has it to easy around the UK shores as it stands.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Maru

The Danish may be nice enough to us, but that doesn't go very far in the environment we are in now where hostile powers are growing and not much had been done about it. They're not going to be on the hook for defense if Russia crosses a line.

We are where we are partially because we've had all these smaller countries with no real military power politically veto many of the solutions to problems because they prefer to live in an ideal world and now have an ideology tethered to it. Our enemies have taken advantage of this. Ex: It's reasonable and normal to place checks & balances on the transfer of people and property across the border because it is a national security threat.

There's a psychological side effect also, is that it's putting our enemies firmly on notice and putting a pin in the map. It's also telling allies to stop interfering with whatever idealistic neurosis they come up with next and start actually treating our enemies like a real threat. Tackling Venezuela puts countries like Cuba and Mexico on notice, which is sensible as they're both narco-states and any sense of diplomacy will simply be ignored by them. Just mentioning possibly acquiring Greenland is a simple enough signal to Russia that we do take the threat seriously, so that may be enough to deescalate, at least somewhat.

Whatever I think of more American interference (much bigger topic), there's at least a reasoning behind it. The alternative is we close up our borders entirely and then leave the world to rest of it. That's a possibility that is always being weighed, I think.

Trump's actions and his threats are alienating allies and putting the future of NATO at risk. The US clearly thinks that's acceptable collateral damage, which is worrying. If the US really is worried enough about Russia to enter the sovereign territory of another allied country and take it by force, you'd think Trump would have been stronger against Putin in Ukraine. But his interaction with Putin bordered on appeasement. Now he's threatening to do exactly what Putin did when he crossed the border of another country. That's what it looks like to me.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Parmy

The Danes would still be in charge of the population and running of Greenland. America would be in charge of defence, which the EU and the UK, if they didn't have their fingers in their ears would understand is a very very important thing for our protection surrounding the unpredictability of Putin.


It basically must happen to ensure that safety, Russia has it to easy around the UK shores as it stands.

the usa already have troops in greenland. They have no need to invade, and yet here we are