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Sarah. · 08-11-2007, 08:02 PM

Yup, all the suspensions, the lack of talent . . . i could go on.

hey Ruth, Orton forums re opened, if you didn't know ;]

Ruth*Star · 08-11-2007, 08:06 PM

Oooh thanks for that, i'll go and sign up
YEY! and yeah he had no talent, people who actually have talent should be brought up to the roster.

Dan_ · 09-11-2007, 01:09 AM

Recap on documentary on CNN

Quote:

By: Bryan Randles

The one-hour documentary of sorts opens with the narrator talking about Chris Benoit. The murder, how he had the body of an Adonis, and how he was spinning into depression. We're introduced to Chris' father, Michael and his documentation that proves Chris' downfall. We see the journal Chris kept, and Michael talks about how the entries are letters to Eddie after he passed. Michael calls it the diary of Chris going mad.

They cut to shots of Chris, his wife Nancy and son, with shots of the taped off house mixed in. The narrator goes over some facts of the murder, back to Michael Benoit saying he feels responsibility, because he let his son chase his dream.

Now we get to see shots of WWE fans attending an event, while excited and saying Mark Henry sucks. The host mentions Raw and Smackdown are ratings giants. Also that WWE's PPV's brought in hundreds of millions in revenue each year.

A Dr. Pinkard says the amount of deaths in wrestling alarmed him. According to him one- fifth of those that have died under the age of 50, were from drug related causes. Chris Kanyon is now shown, and he admits to attempting suicide on September 14th, 2000.

The narrator mentions how the Benoit incident caught the attention of congress, and now it's a sit down moment with Vince McMahon, alongside Linda. Vince says, "they had nothing to do with it. How did we know he'd turn into a monster?"

Commercial.

When they come back they make mention of WWE's special tribute to Chris on Raw the night he had passed. Somewhat shoddy reporting here, as they say that night WWE knew nothing of what happened until the next day, when reports of what actually took place were coming out as Raw was airing. Than they show Vince taking back, but not taking back the tribute from his message the next night on ECW.

Now the Patriot, Del Wilkes, is talking about his steroid abuse and Vince, saying he "liked the big guys."

A man who used to work for WWE in the early 90's, who wants to remain anonymous is than interviewed. He really wanted to hide his identity, as he was completely shadowed, wearing a hood over his head, plus a hat, and had the voice altering. Let the speculation begin. He mentioned how Vince changed the business, before him the wrestlers looked like your uncle, and now they were huge. This is when the whispers of steroid abuse began.

They move to 1994 and the McMahon trial. They mention Hulk Hogan as the key witness, and him admitting he did steroids, and Vince did as well. Hulk estimated that 80% of the WWF wrestlers were on the juice. McMahon was acquitted though, but he did admit to steroid abuse, and than launching WWE's first attempt at a wellness policy.

Now the mention of the rise of Ted Turner's WCW. They talk to Bischoff of who basically just explains that from '96 to the middle of '98 they were on top. After that McMahon took back over, eventually purchased WCW and become the "Lord of all wrestling."

Back to the sit down with Vince and Linda, the interviewer asks if Vince likes big guys. Vince wiggles around the question, and than claims the WWE roster is lighter than ever.

They cut to clips of Batista and Cena.

Irv Muchnik is than questioned on his thoughts. He said, "wrestlers copy other wrestlers." He says theirs only so many top spots available, and those are the only guys really making enough money.

Now Jericho says wrestling has a "stereotypical image" of being all big huge guys. That smaller guys have made it to the top before.

Commercial.

Now it's back to Michael Benoit, showing pictures of Chris at 15 years old. He talks about how Chris always lifted weights and since 13 he wanted to be a wrestler. Michael talks about how he got Chris a weight set for Christmas and that looking back it was the biggest mistake he ever made.

Than they talk about Chris' hero the Dynamite Kid. Michael Benoit than mentions letting Chris idolize him may have been an even bigger mistake.

They than interview the ex-wife of Dynamite, who was abused by him, and she blames the steroids. She talks about his use, and how the bigger he got, the more fame that came with it. Than how his steroid abuse lead to injuries, which lead to painkillers and alcohol. She tells a story of Dynamite dragging her by the hair, and putting a gun to her head. She said she didn't know how to escape it all, and actually was going to kill her kids, and herself. The only reason she couldn't bring herself to do it is, because she couldn't be sure they'd all die. She actually never told her children this, but did the night before the interview, knowing they'd see her admit it on this show. She told the interviewer that they understood.

Now an interview with the Dynamite Kid who is now confined to a wheelchair, living in public housing, complete with a pin literally sticking out of his toe. He blames wrestling for his current state of health. He talks about a drug overdose saving his life, because it led doctors to finding he had an enlarged heart from the steroid abuse. The doctors told him he'd die if he didn't stop, so he did. He says McMahon encouraged guys to be bigger. In an odd moment of delusion, Dynamite says he wasn't violent, but admitted to putting a shotgun to his ex-wife's chin. He also admitted that steroids could make you aggressive, but not kill your wife or kid.

Commercial.

Now they turn the attention to concussions, with clips of the news conference from September of Benoit's brain tissue results. The announcement of Benoit having the brain of an elderly Alzheimer's patient, from multiple undiagnosed concussions, and that being enough to explain Benoit's behavior.

Chris Kanyon talks about how Benoit would take abuse out of his love for the show.

They play several clips of Benoit doing the flying head-butt.

The sit down with McMahon reemerges, with Vince saying they haven't studied the reports. He mentions they have cut back on chair shots to the head. Vince says he can't help what accidents happen in the ring. He than questions the facts of the report, and questioning him on these things, after the fact. Vince doesn't think concussions did this and wonders if Benoit had the brain of an 85-year-old with dementia, how did he function and get on an airplane?

Commercial.

Now the focus turns back to Eddie Guerrero's death, and the installment of a new wellness policy. Vince says the last time they had a policy they couldn't afford it, but now they can. He recreated it, because he wanted to, not because of outside pressure.

Dr. Waddler, who was a witness for the prosecution during the '94 trail of McMahon is convinced wrestlers are still on the steroids and calls their current policy a joke.

A Dr. Tygert, who runs the testing for the Olympics also considers it a joke, mentioning the loophole that if you have prescription for the stuff it's ok.

They than talk to Dr Black, who is involved with WWE's current policy and talks about the risk of getting involved if WWE wasn't serious. He claims Vince is serious, and said they're working on making the wrestlers healthier.

Super Anonymous man from earlier says after the first policy, when the guys got smaller, the business suffered.

Now the focus turns to CM Punk and his straightedge lifestyle. The host says he stands out in this business because of it, and asks Punk if he thinks that's why he's a champion? CM Punk basically admits he thinks he's where he is in WWE now, because of his gimmick.

Now John Cena is asked about taking steroids. He actually went on a going nowhere rambling expedition, than said, "I can't say I never did them, but you can never prove I did."

Back to Vince, who is asked if he is confident of WWE being clean now. Vince says no company or organization can say there are 100% positive they are completely clean.

They mentioned Vince's institution of paid rehab to former employees and now tighter testing.

Vince is asked if it's hard to hear about wrestlers dying young and he says he's not responsible for the actions someone takes in their life.

They close with Michael Benoit saying it's too late for Chris, but theirs time to do something for the future.

Overall: A pretty decent recap of everything most fans have probably already read about or heard. The Dynamite Kid segment was rough to watch as a fan of wrestling. The other new thing that will stand out in my mind is Cena's awful reaction to a question he had to know was coming. I don't think Vince would allow Cena to appear, only to have him admitting to taking steroids, than throwing in you can't prove I did? Decent and worthwhile to watch if you recorded it or they replay it.

Nice sidestepping by Cena on the steroid issue

DreadPirate · 09-11-2007, 07:41 AM

The Montreal Screwjob: 10 years ago today.

Great stuff.

Here's a good video I found to go with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3miWRok3mTw

Sarah. · 09-11-2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_
Recap on documentary on CNN

Quote:

By: Bryan Randles

The one-hour documentary of sorts opens with the narrator talking about Chris Benoit. The murder, how he had the body of an Adonis, and how he was spinning into depression. We're introduced to Chris' father, Michael and his documentation that proves Chris' downfall. We see the journal Chris kept, and Michael talks about how the entries are letters to Eddie after he passed. Michael calls it the diary of Chris going mad.

They cut to shots of Chris, his wife Nancy and son, with shots of the taped off house mixed in. The narrator goes over some facts of the murder, back to Michael Benoit saying he feels responsibility, because he let his son chase his dream.

Now we get to see shots of WWE fans attending an event, while excited and saying Mark Henry sucks. The host mentions Raw and Smackdown are ratings giants. Also that WWE's PPV's brought in hundreds of millions in revenue each year.

A Dr. Pinkard says the amount of deaths in wrestling alarmed him. According to him one- fifth of those that have died under the age of 50, were from drug related causes. Chris Kanyon is now shown, and he admits to attempting suicide on September 14th, 2000.

The narrator mentions how the Benoit incident caught the attention of congress, and now it's a sit down moment with Vince McMahon, alongside Linda. Vince says, "they had nothing to do with it. How did we know he'd turn into a monster?"

Commercial.

When they come back they make mention of WWE's special tribute to Chris on Raw the night he had passed. Somewhat shoddy reporting here, as they say that night WWE knew nothing of what happened until the next day, when reports of what actually took place were coming out as Raw was airing. Than they show Vince taking back, but not taking back the tribute from his message the next night on ECW.

Now the Patriot, Del Wilkes, is talking about his steroid abuse and Vince, saying he "liked the big guys."

A man who used to work for WWE in the early 90's, who wants to remain anonymous is than interviewed. He really wanted to hide his identity, as he was completely shadowed, wearing a hood over his head, plus a hat, and had the voice altering. Let the speculation begin. He mentioned how Vince changed the business, before him the wrestlers looked like your uncle, and now they were huge. This is when the whispers of steroid abuse began.

They move to 1994 and the McMahon trial. They mention Hulk Hogan as the key witness, and him admitting he did steroids, and Vince did as well. Hulk estimated that 80% of the WWF wrestlers were on the juice. McMahon was acquitted though, but he did admit to steroid abuse, and than launching WWE's first attempt at a wellness policy.

Now the mention of the rise of Ted Turner's WCW. They talk to Bischoff of who basically just explains that from '96 to the middle of '98 they were on top. After that McMahon took back over, eventually purchased WCW and become the "Lord of all wrestling."

Back to the sit down with Vince and Linda, the interviewer asks if Vince likes big guys. Vince wiggles around the question, and than claims the WWE roster is lighter than ever.

They cut to clips of Batista and Cena.

Irv Muchnik is than questioned on his thoughts. He said, "wrestlers copy other wrestlers." He says theirs only so many top spots available, and those are the only guys really making enough money.

Now Jericho says wrestling has a "stereotypical image" of being all big huge guys. That smaller guys have made it to the top before.

Commercial.

Now it's back to Michael Benoit, showing pictures of Chris at 15 years old. He talks about how Chris always lifted weights and since 13 he wanted to be a wrestler. Michael talks about how he got Chris a weight set for Christmas and that looking back it was the biggest mistake he ever made.

Than they talk about Chris' hero the Dynamite Kid. Michael Benoit than mentions letting Chris idolize him may have been an even bigger mistake.

They than interview the ex-wife of Dynamite, who was abused by him, and she blames the steroids. She talks about his use, and how the bigger he got, the more fame that came with it. Than how his steroid abuse lead to injuries, which lead to painkillers and alcohol. She tells a story of Dynamite dragging her by the hair, and putting a gun to her head. She said she didn't know how to escape it all, and actually was going to kill her kids, and herself. The only reason she couldn't bring herself to do it is, because she couldn't be sure they'd all die. She actually never told her children this, but did the night before the interview, knowing they'd see her admit it on this show. She told the interviewer that they understood.

Now an interview with the Dynamite Kid who is now confined to a wheelchair, living in public housing, complete with a pin literally sticking out of his toe. He blames wrestling for his current state of health. He talks about a drug overdose saving his life, because it led doctors to finding he had an enlarged heart from the steroid abuse. The doctors told him he'd die if he didn't stop, so he did. He says McMahon encouraged guys to be bigger. In an odd moment of delusion, Dynamite says he wasn't violent, but admitted to putting a shotgun to his ex-wife's chin. He also admitted that steroids could make you aggressive, but not kill your wife or kid.

Commercial.

Now they turn the attention to concussions, with clips of the news conference from September of Benoit's brain tissue results. The announcement of Benoit having the brain of an elderly Alzheimer's patient, from multiple undiagnosed concussions, and that being enough to explain Benoit's behavior.

Chris Kanyon talks about how Benoit would take abuse out of his love for the show.

They play several clips of Benoit doing the flying head-butt.

The sit down with McMahon reemerges, with Vince saying they haven't studied the reports. He mentions they have cut back on chair shots to the head. Vince says he can't help what accidents happen in the ring. He than questions the facts of the report, and questioning him on these things, after the fact. Vince doesn't think concussions did this and wonders if Benoit had the brain of an 85-year-old with dementia, how did he function and get on an airplane?

Commercial.

Now the focus turns back to Eddie Guerrero's death, and the installment of a new wellness policy. Vince says the last time they had a policy they couldn't afford it, but now they can. He recreated it, because he wanted to, not because of outside pressure.

Dr. Waddler, who was a witness for the prosecution during the '94 trail of McMahon is convinced wrestlers are still on the steroids and calls their current policy a joke.

A Dr. Tygert, who runs the testing for the Olympics also considers it a joke, mentioning the loophole that if you have prescription for the stuff it's ok.

They than talk to Dr Black, who is involved with WWE's current policy and talks about the risk of getting involved if WWE wasn't serious. He claims Vince is serious, and said they're working on making the wrestlers healthier.

Super Anonymous man from earlier says after the first policy, when the guys got smaller, the business suffered.

Now the focus turns to CM Punk and his straightedge lifestyle. The host says he stands out in this business because of it, and asks Punk if he thinks that's why he's a champion? CM Punk basically admits he thinks he's where he is in WWE now, because of his gimmick.

Now John Cena is asked about taking steroids. He actually went on a going nowhere rambling expedition, than said, "I can't say I never did them, but you can never prove I did."

Back to Vince, who is asked if he is confident of WWE being clean now. Vince says no company or organization can say there are 100% positive they are completely clean.

They mentioned Vince's institution of paid rehab to former employees and now tighter testing.

Vince is asked if it's hard to hear about wrestlers dying young and he says he's not responsible for the actions someone takes in their life.

They close with Michael Benoit saying it's too late for Chris, but theirs time to do something for the future.

Overall: A pretty decent recap of everything most fans have probably already read about or heard. The Dynamite Kid segment was rough to watch as a fan of wrestling. The other new thing that will stand out in my mind is Cena's awful reaction to a question he had to know was coming. I don't think Vince would allow Cena to appear, only to have him admitting to taking steroids, than throwing in you can't prove I did? Decent and worthwhile to watch if you recorded it or they replay it.

Nice sidestepping by Cena on the steroid issue

Micheal Benoit is crazy, if Chris wanted to go after his dream, then it's not a mistake to let him, even if it did end like it did.

And Cena's comment. LOL.

Ruth*Star · 09-11-2007, 06:16 PM

I read that, and cenas comment was just to funny.
Wrestlezone said this
After reviewing the CNN Documentary on Pro Wrestling from last night, quite a shocking quote from John Cena has came to light. When asked if he had ever taken steroids he responded "I can't tell you that I haven't, but you'll never be able to prove that I have."

You may remember Cena on Larry King Live following the Benoit tragedy defending himself and the business. He is seen as somewhat of a poster boy for naturally good "genetics," but this quote seems to question that a little.

Maybe he didn't mean anything by it, but it was quite a confusing set of words and of course producers can take things out of context. Who knows?

Sarah. · 09-11-2007, 06:18 PM

It basically confirms to me that John Cena is indeed . . . an idiot.

Dan_ · 09-11-2007, 11:15 PM

I think we all know he's on the juice, wonder what Amy would've said?

Redmond · 10-11-2007, 01:27 PM

Just received my Chris Jericho - A Lion's Tale autobiography today and they sent me TWO copies! But only charged me for one!

So if any one wants to buy a copy from me just send me a message.

DreadPirate · 11-11-2007, 07:03 AM

Wow! Awesome match on Smackdown between Finlay and Rey Mysterio. And Finlay won! Finlay hardly ever gets a win, even though he's one of the best wrestlers going. Loved that match.

DreadPirate · 11-11-2007, 08:47 PM

Wrestling fans are fake! I can't believe this, it can't be true.

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide..._tell_all_book

Redmond · 11-11-2007, 11:17 PM

All that Cena stuff was taken out of context by CNN, no surprise the media always try to bash wrestling.

WWE.com has the unedited footage:

http://www.wwe.com/inside/cenaoncnn/

DreadPirate · 12-11-2007, 08:38 AM

Cena tried to work the reporter and it backfired on him. C'est la vie. All TV interviews get edited, he should know that.

Redmond · 12-11-2007, 09:34 AM

So you're sticking up for the media?!!

Not matter how much you don't like Cena, his words shouldn't be edited to that degree (CNN have re-edited now anyway, on it's third airing last night it showed Cena saying "Absolutely not"). I for one believe Cena when he says he's never taken steroids, some guys just don't need them, they work out and they build muscles that way.

Anyway up to Chapter 23 in Jericho's book and it's brilliant! I can't put it down, it's very funny, very honest and his stories are just great. Definitely worth getting if you haven't already.

Dan_ · 12-11-2007, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Redmond
So you're sticking up for the media?!!

Not matter how much you don't like Cena, his words shouldn't be edited to that degree (CNN have re-edited now anyway, on it's third airing last night it showed Cena saying "Absolutely not"). I for one believe Cena when he says he's never taken steroids, some guys just don't need them, they work out and they build muscles that way.

Anyway up to Chapter 23 in Jericho's book and it's brilliant! I can't put it down, it's very funny, very honest and his stories are just great. Definitely worth getting if you haven't already.

I think he's taken them at some point, when he first debuted his arms were quite a bit smaller than what they are these days.He seemed to get quite a bit bigger over a couple of months and stayed that way.

DreadPirate · 12-11-2007, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Redmond
Not matter how much you don't like Cena, his words shouldn't be edited to that degree (CNN have re-edited now anyway, on it's third airing last night it showed Cena saying "Absolutely not"). I for one believe Cena when he says he's never taken steroids, some guys just don't need them, they work out and they build muscles that way.

Its nothing to do with disliking Cena, I think hes OK, Im just saying, everyone knows how the media works and Cena shouldnt say stupid sentances that can be used as sound bites that make him look like an idiot. If he wants to do interviews trying to cover Vince McMahons arse then he should be prepared to take the backlash.

For the record, if Cena says he doesnt do them, I believe him, but most the other wrestlers use them (bar CM Punk).

Sarah. · 12-11-2007, 05:39 PM

Cena's never gonna admit it, but I still think he's took them before.

farhad · 12-11-2007, 10:45 PM

The greatest wrestler ever goes to the giat Great Khali.

Redmond · 13-11-2007, 11:54 AM

So it's confirmed Jericho will be back next Monday on Raw! The Save_Us video last night said:
X+1 = Y
J=9+1
BREAK_THE_CODE
BREAK_THE_WALLS
LAUNCH 19
6_DAYS, 23_HOURS, 33_MINUTES
NEXT_MONDAY

Sarah. · 13-11-2007, 05:35 PM

WOOO

and supposedly:
WWE has confirmed the return of Chris Jericho before it actually happened. The latest issue of WWE Magazine features Chris Jericho on the cover with the tag line “Chris Jericho: The real story behind Y2J’s shocking return”. On the cover photo Jericho is shown plugging in two power cables. The magazine will hit newsstands later next week.

Sarah. · 13-11-2007, 05:43 PM

And this is supposed to be the mag, looks real to me.

Ruth*Star · 13-11-2007, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrs_rko
And this is supposed to be the mag, looks real to me.

OMFG, he looks so hot, i'm so sold on that being real, (Good find there) i can't wait untill next week.
Raw Is Jericho begins next week

Sarah. · 13-11-2007, 06:10 PM

I cannnn't waaaiiiiiittttt

The crowd are gonna go just . . .insane!

Redmond · 13-11-2007, 06:50 PM

Ha, he's wearing the silver sequin (waistcoat this time) the same as what he wore when he first debuted on Raw in 99

.

I've almost finished his book already, it's such a great, funny read and just shows what an amazing person he is and how passionate about the business he is. Like I said I've got two copies so if anyone wants one for cheap just ask.

Sarah. · 13-11-2007, 07:09 PM

Ahaah the waistcoat!

His book looks good, i wouldn't mind reading it. I wanna read Tistas though, dunno why.

And it's 2 years today since Eddie died, RIP Eddie.

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