[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Morphology
LISTEN: Linguistically the imperative and the subjunctive are conjugations and moods respectively, not tenses! GET THAT!? Check any decent book on the subject.

I'm using Lithuanian as an example, I don't care if it doesn't interest you, it proves the point that both French and English are just as analytical as each other.

Check my posts, I have never said that English was more complex morphologically than French, a complete assumption on your part.

I do actually have a book under my eyes and I can TELL you both are tenses. Just deal with it.

I never said French and English aren't as analytical as each other, I already knew that since I do speak Russian.

[Morphology]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

Aint_mad_atcha and I speak French since our birth and have been learning English since we were really young, 6 y-o for me. Then we think we are more able to know French and English a bit better than you considering our background.
You're not wrong, but you're not right either. But you're mostly wrong on certain points.

Look, the only points where I'm wrong are the counter arguments which you have fabricated against me. I never said that Engilsh was more complicated, you said I said that - that's the only duff point from me, and I didn't even say it!

You're the laughable bunch! Sorry, it's true.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Aint_mad_atcha

Yeah like I said before, I learned french when I first started school. And its my first language. I learned english when I was sixteen, and like I said, it took me 3 month to be able to use it academically. At this point in time, I find it easier to communicate in English, than in French. Youve been learning the language for a few years, you have posted on this thread to show your expertise in the language. The fact that you still consider yourself such a novice, to the point that you dont even want to post in French on here, is your answer as to which language is more difficult! Now until you do, please refrain from talking utter non sense.

The funniest thing is, he actually thinks he knows his facts more than we do...both from French speaking countries ! It just amazes me.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Morphology

Look, the only points where I'm wrong are the counter arguments which you have fabricated against me. I never said that Engilsh was more complicated, you said I said that - that's the only duff point from me, and I didn't even say it!

You're the laughable bunch! Sorry, it's true.

At least, we made you laugh. If your whole point was showing how French and English are analytical languages, we already knew it so you wasted your time there.

[Wildcat!]

The funnier thing is, still not one sentence in french, which is soo simple apparently!

[Morphology]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

I do actually have a book under my eyes and I can TELL you both are tenses. Just deal with it.

I never said French and English aren't as analytical as each other, I already knew that since I do speak Russian.

I'm not going to argue any more about this, since you've turned it from an innocent debate into an argument.

It's a French book - probably a typical Francophone book - talking up their own language, making it sound more than it is. Typical French. You've even banned English songs on French radio - ridiculous! There we go, now I've insulted you.

How can moods be tenses - they don't say anything about time, neither do imperatives. It's like saying:

Je fais
Il fait

are two different tenses - they're not!

Good day.

[Morphology]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
The funnier thing is, still not one sentence in french, which is soo simple apparently!

Right you're really annoying me now. When did I say French was simple?

Tu m’énerves maintenant! Quand est-ce que j’ai dit que le français est simple?

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Morphology

I'm not going to argue any more about this, since you've turned it from an innocent debate into an argument.

It's a French book - probably a typical Francaphone book - talking up their own language, making it sound more than it is. Typical French. You've even banned English songs on French radio - ridiculous! There we go, now I've insulted you.

How can moods be tenses - they don't say anything about time, neither do imperatives. It's like saying:

Je fais
Il fait

are two different tenses - they're not!

Good day.

Well stop talking then. Go back and look at this thread, until you posted, your very aggressive and antagonising posts, everything was very peaceful.

And its francophone, not francaphone!

Glad to see you can at least posts "Je fais and Il fait "
Not bad for years of studying french.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Morphology
I'm not going to argue any more about this, since you've turned it from an innocent debate into an argument.

It's a French book - probably a typical Francaphone book - talking up their own language, making it sound more than it is. Typical French. You've even banned English songs on French radio - ridiculous! There we go, now I've insulted you.

How can moods be tenses - they don't say anything about time, neither do imperatives. It's like saying:

Je fais
Il fait

are two different tenses - they're not!

Good day.

You turned the debate into an argument, you didn't need to be rude, at all.

And yes, it's a French book (obviously) and not a one for students.
If the radio thing is serious, then you're dumber than I thought because we do have English songs.

By the way, imperative is meant to give an order: Ris, Rions, Riez.
The subjunctive is a tense as the others, why do you keep denying it ?

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Morphology

Right you're really annoying me now. When did I say French was simple?

Tu m’énerves maintenant! Quand est-ce que j’ai dit que le français est simple?

Oh waaww! Well done, google is your friend after all. Its so obvious that you copied that. How about translating one of your earlier long posts?

[Morphology]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

Well stop talking then. Go back and look at this thread, until you posted, your very aggressive and antagonising posts, everything was very peaceful.

And its francophone, not francaphone!

Glad to see you can at least posts "Je fais and Il fait "
Not bad for years of studying french.

How does one typo disprove my point??

I used those two examples "je fais" and "il fait" to press my point - not in reply to your post.

Why don't you use your knowledge of French to disprove me then instead of giving your runnig commentary of the debate? You've given no concrete argument yet. Not bad for someone who apparently speaks French fluently.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Aint_mad_atcha

Oh waaww! Well done, google is your friend after all. Its so obvious that you copied that. How about translating one of your earlier long posts?

I'm sure he's going to tell you that Senegal is not an French speaking country ! After all, we don't know anything about French huh ?

[Morphology]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

You turned the debate into an argument, you didn't need to be rude, at all.

And yes, it's a French book (obviously) and not a one for students.
If the radio thing is serious, then you're dumber than I thought because we do have English songs.

By the way, imperative is meant to give an order: Ris, Rions, Riez.
The subjunctive is a tense as the others, why do you keep denying it ?

Because tenses show time.

Imperative forms are just conjugations of tenses. In the same way subjunctive moods just show desire and not time.

How can you deny that linguistically speaking they're not tenses?

[Morphology]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

Oh waaww! Well done, google is your friend after all. Its so obvious that you copied that. How about translating one of your earlier long posts?

You still haven't answered my question.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Morphology

Because tenses show time.

Imperative forms are just conjugations of tenses. In the same way subjunctive moods just show desire and not time.

How can you deny that linguistically speaking they're not tenses?

Not necessarily, Imperative forms is a conjugation of tense, I agree, but put in the way they must be, they are fully tenses.
And can you tell me how 'que je meure' (subjonctive present of the verb 'Mourir') is not a tense ? I'm just curious.

[Morphology]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

I'm sure he's going to tell you that Senegal is not an French speaking country ! After all, we don't know anything about French huh ?

Assumptions and fabrications yet again:

1) When did I say that you don't know anything about French?

2) Why the hell would I say that Senegal isn't a French speaking country anyway?

What an idiotic post! This is getting ridiculous anyway, I've said all I wanted to.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Morphology

Assumptions and fabrications yet again:

1) When did I say that you don't know anything about French?

2) Why the hell would I say that Senegal isn't a French speaking country anyway?

What an idiotic post! This is getting ridiculous anyway, I've said all I wanted to.

I was sarcastic right ? A bit of humour wouldn't be bad for you.
Do all Lithuanian people act like that ? Bless you then.

[Morphology]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

Not necessarily, Imperative forms is a conjugation of tense, I agree, but put in the way they must be, they are fully tenses.
And can you tell me how 'que je meure' (subjonctive present of the verb 'Mourir') is not a tense ? I'm just curious.

It's a mood! It's in the present tense - it doesn't show a time any different to the present tense - it's just a different tone.

This is completely ridiculous, you're both just clutching at straws since you don't really have a leg to stand on.

English imperative:

Let's go - Allons = present!

English subjunctive:

I want that the subjunctive be used. - Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé. - present tense!

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Morphology
It's a mood! It's in the present tense - it doesn't show a time any different to the present tense - it's just a different tone.

This is completely ridiculous, you're both just clutching at straws since you don't really have a leg to stand on.

English imperative:

Let's go - Allons = present!

English subjunctive:

I want that the subjunctive be used. - Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé. - present tense!

Like I said, Imperative is another form of Present, but it is a fully tense because you don't use it the same way. Is that so hard to understand or should I speak French ?
And 'Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is not the subjunctive: 'que je veuille' is. Then it's a full tense and has no links with present.
You just need to take a look at your tenses, sorry to say so. I'm just trying to help.

[Wildcat!]

Franchement ce n'est pas la peine de lui donner de l'attention. Je suis sur qu'il ne parle aucune goutte de francais. Il aime raconter sa vie juste pour nous faire chier. Donc c'est un debat inutile a mon avis!

[Morphology]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

Like I said, Imperative is another form of Present, but it is a fully tense because you don't use it the same way. Is that so hard to understand or should I speak French ?
And 'Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is not the subjunctive: 'que je veuille' is. Then it's a full tense and has no links with present.
You just need to take a look at your tenses, sorry to say so. I'm just trying to help.

Of course it's subjunctive: 'est - soit' just like in English 'is - be'.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Aint_mad_atcha
Franchement ce n'est pas la peine de lui donner de l'attention. Je suis sur qu'il ne parle aucune goutte de francais. Il aime raconter sa vie juste pour nous faire chier. Donc c'est un debat inutile a mon avis!

Je pense aussi, on ne le connait pas et il parle méchamment. Je pense qu'il parle français mais pas assez pour nous donner des leçons, surtout que nous sommes français (toi tu viens du Sénégal mais c'est pareil).

[Morphology]

Aint_mad_atcha - at least Rémy has replied to me and debated, you've just given your runnig commentary of the debate fabricating accusations in the process. I mean, when the hell did I say that French was simple, I never did! You're an idiot!!

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Morphology


Like I said, Imperative is another form of Present, but it is a fully tense because you don't use it the same way. Is that so hard to understand or should I speak French ?
And 'Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is not the subjunctive: 'que je veuille' is. Then it's a full tense and has no links with present.
You just need to take a look at your tenses, sorry to say so. I'm just trying to help.

Of course it's subjunctive: 'est - soit' just like in English 'is - be'. [/quote]

Ok Mr. 'I know it all', let me give you an example of what subjunctive is:
Subjunctive present of 'vouloir':
que je veuille,
que tu veuilles,
qu'il veuille,
que nous voulions,
que vous vouliez,
qu'ils veuillent.

Tell me it is like present now !

To refresh your memory, this is present:
Je veux,
tu veux,
il veut,
nous voulons,
vous voulez,
ils veulent.

What about that Mr 'I know it all' ?

[Morphology]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

Of course it's subjunctive: 'est - soit' just like in English 'is - be'.

Ok Mr. 'I know it all', let me give you an example of what subjunctive is:
Subjunctive present of 'vouloir':
que je veuille,
que tu veuilles,
qu'il veuille,
que nous voulions,
que vous vouliez,
qu'ils veuillent.

Tell me it is like present now !

To refresh your memory, this is present:
Je veux,
tu veux,
il veut,
nous voulons,
vous voulez,
ils veulent.

What about that Mr 'I know it all' ? [/quote]

Yes, but the subjunctive form in the third person of "etre" (with ^) is "soit" not "est".

It would be ridiculous to say:

"Je veuille que le subjonctif soit utilisé." unless you said something like:

Bien que je veuille......etc....

So I was right.