[Annie]

Originally posted by Tom

You have to take responsibility and you have to be prepared. If you think "oh we had protected sex it won't happen" then firstly, you're delusional and secondly you aren't mentally mature enough if you're going to forget about any risks.

Who said anything about having unprotected sex though?

People who are using contraception can STILL get pregnant. I know its a shocker for you but it happens.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

Contraception does not prevent it completely...

No, it doesn't, and then I think thats when in emergancy cases it should be allowed, within them ten weeks of fertilization, its still and egg then just with a bit of sperm in it.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Tom

No offence but you talk some c**p. You were saying she shouldn't have the baby because it would damage her life, but when its ending a life and damaging someone elses, thats suddenly OK?

Yes it is okay because at the end of the day she does not, under any circumstances, have to have the baby, and the dad has to accept that. Why should she have it because he wants to? She shouldn't. And before you say why should he not have it cos she doesnt want it; it's her body.

Last post in here, I've said all there is I giuess we have to accept we have different opinions.

[Annie]

I actually cannot believe that people on this forum would FORCE a woman to GIVE BIRTH to save a fetus which doesn't know any better.

Thats actually very worrying.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Annie

Who said anything about having unprotected sex though?

People who are using contraception can STILL get pregnant. I know its a shocker for you but it happens.

Yes it happens, but its 100% if you use it corectly. don't know how to have sex, don't have it. that's when you shouldn't have sex.

[Jen]

Originally posted by JustJake

No, it doesn't, and then I think thats when in emergancy cases it should be allowed, within them ten weeks of fertilization, its still and egg then just with a bit of sperm in it.

Thats what me and Annie are saying..

We are not saying use Abortion as contraception....

[Tom]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

Contraception does not prevent it completely...

Condoms and the pill are 98% effective which means the likelihood of the probability of getting pregnant is 0.02- note thats just the same as unprotected sex, the probability of you getting pregnant is lower than that. If you're really bothered about stopping it, then contraception will be done from both sides, maybe the pill and condoms. That takes the risk of the chance of getting pregnant right down to 0.0004, and for those who don't know the closer to zero you are the less chance it has of happening. So the probability of the risk of getting pregnant is 0.0004, the chance of getting pregnant is much much lower. If you get caught out with contraception on both sides then you are extremely unlucky.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Annie
I actually cannot believe that people on this forum would FORCE a woman to GIVE BIRTH to save a fetus which doesn't know any better.

Thats actually very worrying.

I'm against abortion, but I would never force someone to go through areally painful experience if they really didn't want to.

[Jen]

Originally posted by JustJake

Yes it happens, but its 100% if you use it corectly. don't know how to have sex, don't have it. that's when you shouldn't have sex.

No its not...
Condoms are NOT 100% effective... Read the small print.

[Annie]

Originally posted by JustJake

Yes it happens, but its 100% if you use it corectly. don't know how to have sex, don't have it. that's when you shouldn't have sex.

"Dont know how to have sex, dont have it" - sex and using contraception is different. Everyone knows HOW to have sex!!!!

And its not 100% is used correctly! There is NO contraception that is 100% effective.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

Thats what me and Annie are saying..

We are not saying use Abortion as contraception....

Oh then sorry because I thought that was what you were saying.

[Jen]

Originally posted by Annie
I actually cannot believe that people on this forum would FORCE a woman to GIVE BIRTH to save a fetus which doesn't know any better.

Thats actually very worrying.

Tell me about it...

[Tom]

Originally posted by Billy21

Yes it is okay because at the end of the day she does not, under any circumstances, have to have the baby, and the dad has to accept that. Why should she have it because he wants to? She shouldn't. And before you say why should he not have it cos she doesnt want it; it's her body.

Last post in here, I've said all there is I giuess we have to accept we have different opinions.

I could completely flip that right around, but you'd probably stick with your views and support women as always ...

Originally posted by Annie
I actually cannot believe that people on this forum would FORCE a woman to GIVE BIRTH to save a fetus which doesn't know any better.

Thats actually very worrying.

I also find it very worrying how ignorant and selfish some people are. The world doesn't revolve around anyone. You'd think it does with some of the opinions in here.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Annie

"Dont know how to have sex, dont have it" - sex and using contraception is different. Everyone knows HOW to have sex!!!!

And its not 100% is used correctly! There is NO contraception that is 100% effective.

Ok, at 0.02% of getting pregnant with any contreception then its literally 100% its not even a ful percent.

Secondly, it was a figure of speech. If you don't know howto use things and what to use then thats when your in no fit state to have sex.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by JustJake

I'm against abortion, but I would never force someone to go through areally painful experience if they really didn't want to.

[Annie]

Late abortions are extremely rare but necessary - less than 1 per cent are carried out after 22 weeks

So less that 1% of abortions are where the fetus would feel anything.

You are fighting for nothing! Something that cannot feel anything over 99% of the time.

[Annie]

And its not 0.02% of getting pregnant if using condoms... its 2%

Thats a wee bit of a difference!!

[Jake!]

I'm not fighting, i would never go to the government with a letter or campaign its still someones choice there's clearly arguements for both. I was just interested.

[Jen]

This thread has opened my eyes to some people..

I would like to add... Forcing a woman into giving birth is a disgrace.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Annie
Late abortions are extremely rare but necessary - less than 1 per cent are carried out after 22 weeks

So less that 1% of abortions are where the fetus would feel anything.

You are fighting for nothing! Something that cannot feel anything over 99% of the time.

But they can feel it ... its fully formed after about 12 weeks which is when most people find out!

How would you like it if someone basically hoovered you up and tore all your limbs off your body in the process?

[Jake!]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL
This thread has opened my eyes to some people..

I would like to add... Forcing a woman into giving birth is a disgrace.

I agree. You can't force a man to be a father so why should you force a woman to be a mother.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Annie
And its not 0.02% of getting pregnant if using condoms... its 2%

Thats a wee bit of a difference!!

Its not the probability of getting pregnant, its the probability of the possibility of getting pregnant, theres a massive difference. And its not all one sided, the man shouldn't have to wear a condom just because its easier, if the man is doing his bit then the woman should do hers, which cuts the probability of the possibility of getting pregnant right down to 0.04%. As I said before, if you're using both and get caught out, you're very unlucky.

Originally posted by JDIZZEL
This thread has opened my eyes to some people..

I would like to add... Forcing a woman into giving birth is a disgrace.

Its also opened my eyes to a few people as well, how ignorant, selfish and bordering sexist some people are.

[Jen]

Originally posted by Tom
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Its also opened my eyes to a few people as well, how ignorant, selfish and bordering sexist some people are.

I may be Ignorant and silightly selfish for caring about myself. But I am NOT sexist....

NO uterus NO opinion... When men can have children lets have the womans choice/ Mans choice argument then.. kay?

[Annie]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

I may be Ignorant and silightly selfish for caring about myself. But I am NOT sexist....

NO uterus NO opinion... When men can have children lets have the womans choice/ Mans choice argument then.. kay?

I would also be ignorant and selfish to wanting to protect my life more than something that does not yet have a life.

Shoot me now.

But people on this forum are saying that woman should be forced to have children so people can adopt. That is pathetic.

[Jake!]

Tom, its not sexist for a woman to choose something that going to happen to there body. I just believe it should be done a lot quicker, within ten weeks not 6 months, which is months before the due date.