[arista]

[Zizu]

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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Zizu

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Meh.

Why would she want to engage with someone who's shouting at her and waving a phone in her face? Looks like she'd been at some kind of engagement, there's a time and place.

[DemolitionRed]

Environmentalism has been hijacked by the technocrats and we are being moved towards a machine green dystopia.

[arista]

Today Live at 10AM
the Labour Leader is Live on Simulcast Radio5/BBCnewsHD

Nicky Hancock stated
Many want him to talk about No Bank for Nigel Farage
Will Starmer allow that.?

[arista]

Starmer Now Live


He stated No one should be refused
a bank account on Political Views


Now taking questions
from the Public.

[arista]

A caller has had his Mortgage raised
and is effecting his health.


Starmer also adding the folks he has met.

[arista]

Starmer now left the London BBC Studio

[joeysteele]

He really is irritating.
Gets me annoyed.

I accept he cannot detail costs and funding as to policies.
I accept he needs to look at the issues arising.
So cannot say what he will definitely do as to issues.

However he must have with the bits of information he has across the board on issues.
Just for goodness sake say what he firmly supports or intends to seriously look at if he wins power.
Or even just give his own feeling and view on an issue which he MUST have.

Starmer is really very fortunate to a degree that the current political temperature is more against the Cons.
He fails to inspire for me and things like he'll look at this or that with no expression of where his own thinking is.
Just give some answers and more importantly some hope to the people telling him of their current difficulties.

I don't want him to be like Blair, the grinning Cheshire cat who swept the Country with a kind of arrogance of flooding thoughts and ideas out like confetti.
One of Starmer's plus points is he's not like Blair in either style or delivery.
However a more detailed view of what he sees as to the road if he wins power, where does he WANT to be able to say the UK may be from whatever policies he will try to implement.

Just answer more directly, you don't have to give loads of details but stop being cautious or worried of saying the wrong thing.
Saying nothing or little can be as wrong as saying too much.

Just for goodness sake as to Keir Starmer, he needs to say what he means and mean what he says.
He'd earn certainly and likely gain more respect if he did

[bots]

he needs to outline his principles and stick to them and not change with the wind. Principles don't need funding, and it would make clear what the guy actually stands for. At the moment, does anyone really have a clue what he would do if labour got in power?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he needs to outline his principles and stick to them and not change with the wind. Principles don't need funding, and it would make clear what the guy actually stands for. At the moment, does anyone really have a clue what he would do if labour got in power?

They sort of have, unfortunately. Rachel reeves has set her ideas based on a growth strategy that will never happen without investment, so she's stuck in that loop, which means that a continuation of tory austerity, but with slightly better manners, and less **** ups.

Anyone seen Joey recently? I wonder how he is now feeling about this right wing labour party.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

They sort of have, unfortunately. Rachel reeves has set her ideas based on a growth strategy that will never happen without investment, so she's stuck in that loop, which means that a continuation of tory austerity, but with slightly better manners, and less **** ups.

Anyone seen Joey recently? I wonder how he is now feeling about this right wing labour party.

Yes, I think Joey agrees
with you Slim.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes, I think Joey agrees
with you Slim.

I think he's getting there, but it's been a long process to come to terms with what his labour party has become and now stands for. Hope he's doing well, and I hope he doesn't waste his time canvassing for this lot when the time comes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think he's getting there, but it's been a long process to come to terms with what his labour party has become and now stands for. Hope he's doing well, and I hope he doesn't waste his time canvassing for this lot when the time comes.

Sorry to disappoint you Slim but I will be all out canvassing for a Labour government in the election.
I may have even put myself forward to possibly stand in the election had Starmer had the courage to include PR in the next election's manifesto.
However it's only through Labour that will come, so with other members we will be pushing hard over the next years to get PR included in the manifesto for the election nearer 2029.
That is one of my main personal political aims, because I do believe it could be the start for right and good political reform.
Plus it was passed massively at last year's conference.

I'm content with the plans for the NHS too.
I can go with most of what is being planned.

I also still believe Labour would be a more compassionate government.
There's not the tiniest hint of any sensitivity or compassion about the current Con party.

However, yes, I am going to be extremely disappointed, very much so, with the first Starmer led manifesto.
That disappointment though fades into insignificance at the thought of this shambolic, heartless government being allowed to continuing in power.
So I will be helping all ways I can to try to get this awful hard-line heartless Con lot out absolutely.
Despite my own personal dislike of and even anger at Starmer.
Who I do feel has become a big letdown.

[arista]

Yes Joey,
I understand your valid points.


I give credit to BBC Nicky Hancock
why did push Starmer to answer the direct question.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Former Prime Minister Sir Tony Blair
has cautioned against asking the
public to do a "huge amount" to tackle
climate change,
because Britain's net zero efforts alone can't
solve global warming, according to the Telegraph.
However, the former Labour leader has
stressed that climate change is
the "single biggest global challenge"
and that "Britain should play its part".]

[arista]

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Daily Mail splashes on a story about
Just Stop Oil activists who the paper claim
are boasting their tactics have shaped
Labour Party policy. ]

[user104658]

It's not new. I was a hair away from ending up on "New Deal" with a baby on the way (the amazing plan to have people working full-time jobs at Poundland for £65 a week Jobseekers) and will never forget that. Thankfully I found a job just before that actually happened.

That was 2008. Labour government. The Tories have been such monumental ****ers that people have seemingly forgotten that Labour had already gone waaay off-piste... there's a good reason that the Tories were able to sway the working class to vote for them, which was previously unthinkable.

[The Slim Reaper]

I was talking about where Starmer has come from his election to now, with all the backtracking and u-turns. Obviously only Corbyn and possibly Smith would be described as progressive, and it was in relation to Joeys journey over the 7 stages of grief, and the fact he struggled to accept the reality of who Starmer is.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I was talking about where Starmer has come from his election to now, with all the backtracking and u-turns. Obviously only Corbyn and possibly Smith would be described as progressive, and it was in relation to Joeys journey over the 7 stages of grief, and the fact he struggled to accept the reality of who Starmer is.

Ultimately it's a catch 22 though isn't it... the reality is that the GBP will never elect a "real" Labour party. The world could be literally on fire and the country would continue to lean right-of-centre... Blair & co knew that, hence New Labour. Starmer knows it.

FWIW I still maintain that I will eat my hat if the Tories don't win the next election anyway, so it's all pretty moot. They're not going anywhere. They just haven't tipped their hand to show whatever smear-tactic-or-other they'll unleash for electioneering.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Ultimately it's a catch 22 though isn't it... the reality is that the GBP will never elect a "real" Labour party. The world could be literally on fire and the country would continue to lean right-of-centre... Blair & co knew that, hence New Labour.

FWIW I still maintain that I will eat my hat if the Tories don't win the next election anyway, so it's all pretty moot. They're not going anywhere. They just haven't tipped their hand to show whatever smear-tactic-or-other they'll unleash for electioneering.

It's a weird one, because if you poll individual (progressive/socialist) policies, then they're always majorly popular, even with tory voters, but when they are put into the labour party, then people lose their minds.

I guess having the whole media and establishment pushing tories is bound to have an effect, to the point where they're voting against their own interests.

I think Starmer was uniquely placed for this election cycle to offer progressive policies without any need to worry about the tories, because they've screwed it up so much. People are desperate not to vote tory, and Keir constantly copying or agreeing with them, is giving voters a reason to stick where they are.

Tories won't be in government after the next election (I don't share your pessimism), but I'm hoping for a labour coalition as a best case scenario, preferably with the greens.

If labour get into government and do tory things, then the gbp will replace them with actual tories at the first opportunity. The way you change the gbp's opinion on the labour party, is to actually do things to make the lives of the citizenry better when they get the chance, and there is very little chance of that happening with this lot.

[bots]

the next election will be won by the party that champions the topic of the moment. The GBP have lost the ability to think logically

[Crimson Dynamo]

A labour coalition eithe the greens?

That's what the Tories should threaten the UK with to win the next election

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A labour coalition eithe the greens?

That's what the Tories should threaten the UK with to win the next election

It's what I'm hoping for, because this labour party can't be trusted. I do think labour will eek out a comfortable majority, unfortunately.

I'll be voting green, at least.

Any idea who you might vote for as I don't think you're SNP any more. You going Tory?