[Ammi]

...this is such a terrifying time and obviously a time of such grief and sadness for families ...not just the loss of their loved ones to the virus but also, not being able to be with them in their passing...100,000 deaths reached...?...but Professor Andrew Hayward said that figure wasn’t accurate, that terrifying figure was reached around 3 weeks ago and the current one would be more 120,000....so what are we to believe, I mean, just moments after that was said, the government say ‘we have sadly just reached...’ and that appears to be inaccurate and therefore, a lie ...I have no trust in Boris, none at all...the details/data for the U.K. are absolutely terrifying but it’s also the lack of trust in this government...he’s been condemned for giving inaccurate information about nursing salaries and the ‘government official information’ is conflicting with scientific, medial information....?...and also as Professor Howard said, a delay in decisions when they have come has cost many lives...trying to save an economy that was never going to be and could never be saved with such a huge life loss, was only ever going to be and lead to ‘failing at both’...his words of ‘I’m sorry’ are just so hollow ...

[Vanessa]

Things will be better by spring, i'm sure if it.
We have the vaccines and the lockdown is working as well.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Things will be better by spring, i'm sure if it.
We have the vaccines and the lockdown is working as well.

......

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Things will be better by spring, i'm sure if it.
We have the vaccines and the lockdown is working as well.

Things will be better certainly by mid-spring and probably over summer as well like last year, but the real question is what happens towards the end of autumn and into winter.

And that really depends on new strains and how effective the vaccines are against them.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Things will be better certainly by mid-spring and probably over summer as well like last year, but the real question is what happens towards the end of autumn and into winter.

And that really depends on new strains and how effective the vaccines are against them.

We need to be careful about who comes in the UK.
They need to keep testing the people who come in.
If they don't we will be in the same situation next winter.

[arista]

[This government by its procrastination and shocking
lack of planning even with foreknowledge has
in part put.its citizens in great danger and led
to thousands of lost lives unnecessarily.]

Yes Joey
whoever would be in power
would have problems.
And yes Conservative Lockdowns
were all to late.

[bots]

we can easily get hung up on strategies and timings, but quite simply, if people social distanced, we wouldn't have the infection and death rate that we now have. That's what it all boils down to and that is dependent on so many specific individual factors. From a strategic stand point, the government could and should have done better, but people saying the death rate would have been much lower if, are speculating based on their own particular notions of what would have been better. We just don't know because that was not the avenue we went down at a particular point in time.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

we can easily get hung up on strategies and timings, but quite simply, if people social distanced, we wouldn't have the infection and death rate that we now have. That's what it all boils down to and that is dependent on so many specific individual factors. From a strategic stand point, the government could and should have done better, but people saying the death rate would have been much lower if, are speculating based on their own particular notions of what would have been better. We just don't know because that i not the avenue we went down at a particular point in time.

Yes it's a simple thing to ask.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes it's a simple thing to ask.

It is but you're talking about 70 million people and when you need something to be done on that scale, there will be a "margin of error". There's no way to avoid that. A portion of that number will get it wrong, either through not caring, or through not understanding what they're supposed to be doing.

[Ammi]

...no, people aren’t speculating on their own notions...they’re looking at medical/scientific information that makes sense and doesn’t constantly contradict and confuse, then apologise...because it doesn’t try to balance the economy and lives, which is an impossibility, without failing at both...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Things will be better certainly by mid-spring and probably over summer as well like last year, but the real question is what happens towards the end of autumn and into winter.

And that really depends on new strains and how effective the vaccines are against them.

...and this...as the vaccines are being developed, so the virus is also ‘developing’ and it’s ‘a race’ really, isn’t it because the virus doesn’t stand still while immunity is striven for...

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is but you're talking about 70 million people and when you need something to be done on that scale, there will be a "margin of error". There's no way to avoid that. A portion of that number will get it wrong, either through not caring, or through not understanding what they're supposed to be doing.

Yes I blame the Youth.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I blame the Youth.

You don't blame the
Wash your hands
Don't wear a mask
Wear a mask
Stay home
Eat out to help out
Pubs open
Pubs closed
Lockdown
Restrictions eased
Christmas mixing
Open borders and no checks

I could go on....but yeah it the youths what done it

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I blame the Youth.

no you should blame those anti-maskers

their leaders especially whom brainwash people into being against government, into thinking regulations take all your freedoms away (which isn't true, you still have the freedom what you do at home)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You don't blame the
Wash your hands
Don't wear a mask
Wear a mask
Stay home
Eat out to help out
Pubs open
Pubs closed
Lockdown
Restrictions eased
Christmas mixing
Open borders and no checks

I could go on....but yeah it the youths what done it

We all know that it was primarily blokes in the 30 - 60 age bracket who were gasping to get back to spitting all over each other's faces at the pub.

[Ammi]

[arista]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You don't blame the
Wash your hands
Don't wear a mask
Wear a mask
Stay home
Eat out to help out
Pubs open
Pubs closed
Lockdown
Restrictions eased
Christmas mixing
Open borders and no checks

I could go on....but yeah it the youths what done it

On the Eat Out
Social Distancing was not good enough.


And
The Xmas Mixing was halted at the last minute

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by arista

On the Eat Out
Social Distancing was not good enough.


And
The Xmas Mixing was halted at the last minute

We still had one day of official mixing and the fact that they said we would have 5 and people had made plans means that people broke the rules.

[Ammi]

...the Christmas household mixing was screamed at...‘don’t do it’ by the medical world as soon as it was suggested but the government still proceeded with ‘we will save Christmas etc’ ...it was set up to fail and some people to not adhere to the changes because of the lateness of them...again halting it was not ‘sorry enough’ when the medical world had screened NO so loudly...it should never have been something that was going ahead in the first place...

[user104658]

Yes I agree, if they had said straight away "don't make elaborate Christmas plans" more people would have stuck to it. They gave thre green light for making plans and then said "actually no..." a couple of weeks before the day, so people just said "**** it" and went with what they had planned.

[user104658]

Eat Out to Help Out was a joke too... we didn't do it (the only time we had a meal out the whole pandemic was very early in the summer when it was first allowed, the place was basically empty but we STILL felt a bit grubby afterwards) but we are a fan of a Starbucks drive-through... and there's a restaurant right next to our nearest Starbucks that has big floor to ceiling glass windows... and every time we drove past during eat out to help out, it was PACKED! Groups clearly not together sat back-to-back at tables .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes I agree, if they had said straight away "don't make elaborate Christmas plans" more people would have stuck to it. They gave thre green light for making plans and then said "actually no..." a couple of weeks before the day, so people just said "**** it" and went with what they had planned.

...no ‘human behaviour’ was factored in at all in how many wouldn’t change their plans because the psychology that Boris used was...’this is Christmas, this is making Christmas great again and saving it’...and then to try to strip that away after building it up in public hopes...of course that would mean that many wouldn’t comply...human psychology isn’t factored in to so much but human blame is apparent constantly...

[Nicky91]

no need to talk about the past, you guys can only hope things go better now and numbers go down smoothly

[AnnieK]

I haven't eaten out once since this all began, not even had a takeaway (although I've never been a huge takeaway fan) but every restaurant near me that was on the scheme was packed during august and loads carried on offering deals once the scheme had ended. To be fair as the industry has been hit so hard, I don't blame them after the gov dangled that particular carrot