[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

This was 6:48AM Early today.

The host should have a bit of grace and decorum tbh, whatever they think of their guests.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The host should have a bit of grace and decorum tbh, whatever they think of their guests.

Like Piers?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The host should have a bit of grace and decorum tbh, whatever they think of their guests.

Yes Ed Balls Presenter pushing his Podcast

Bollocks to Ed Balls

[Liam-]

Thought so

The right really will cling onto anybody in the their mission to pretend to care about Jews

[Livia]

The far Left pretending it's not they who are the problem when it comes to anti-Semitism. It would be funny if it wasn't insulting.

[bots]

We should clarify the situation a bit. Hamas have basically taken their own people hostage and are using them as human shields. Would any country just say, ok, we will just leave them to it. They can come back and slaughter our people, but thats just something we have to accept

Of course they wouldn't. Every country in the world would want to take out the terrorists. It's very sad if there are civilian casualties but the aim will always be to kill the terrorists

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We should clarify the situation a bit. Hamas have basically taken their own people hostage and are using them as human shields. Would any country just say, ok, we will just leave them to it. They can come back and slaughter our people, but thats just something we have to accept

Of course they wouldn't. Every country in the world would want to take out the terrorists. It's very sad if there are civilian casualties but the aim will always be to kill the terrorists

defending genocide ain't a good look though


commando ground troops could be more effective in areas where they are many civilians, to prevent civilian casualties but still taking out the hamas terrorists


Netanyahu really made the silliest excuse ever now

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We should clarify the situation a bit. Hamas have basically taken their own people hostage and are using them as human shields. Would any country just say, ok, we will just leave them to it. They can come back and slaughter our people, but thats just something we have to accept

Yes but we need a two state solution!!!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Of course they wouldn't. Every country in the world would want to take out the terrorists. It's very sad if there are civilian casualties but the aim will always be to kill the terrorists

Yes every country would want to but to say it's the aim simply can't be true, unless the decision makers have practically zero knowledge of the mechanisms of terrorism and recent history. They know for an almost concrete fact that indiscriminate wide-scale bombing campaigns with large numbers of civilian casualties increase terrorist recruitment in the short terms and thus increase terrorist activity in the longer term. It is, put quite simple, pretty much the WORST plan if the aim is reducing terrorism.

And like I said there's no way they don't know that, so the only reasonable explanation is that it isn't the reason/aim. The aim is clearly to annex Gaza entirely (or to make it effectively uninhabitable, which is more or less the same thing).

Like I've said before I don't think the aim is to "kill the Muslims" per se. I don't think they particularly care if the population is dead or simply goes elsewhere. They just want them removed.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We should clarify the situation a bit. Hamas have basically taken their own people hostage and are using them as human shields. Would any country just say, ok, we will just leave them to it. They can come back and slaughter our people, but thats just something we have to accept

Of course they wouldn't. Every country in the world would want to take out the terrorists. It's very sad if there are civilian casualties but the aim will always be to kill the terrorists

This is 100% what is happening there because Netanyahu the hospital bombing maniac, told us so. It's not like declaring it is just to relax the levels of violence permitted in that area.

Oh, and Iraq has WMD's.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is 100% what is happening there because Netanyahu, the hospital bombing maniac told us so. It's not like declaring it is just to relax the levels of violence permitted in that area.

Oh, and Iraq has WMD's.

Indeed - I posted a South Park clip a few pages back, proper OG South Park, Stan's uncle taking him hunting and his "it's coming right for us!" shout that allows him to legally shoot any animal.

It's literally all I can hear whenever someone says "There was Hamas in the building".

There was Hamas in the bus,
There was Hamas in the ambulances,
There was a Hamas tunnel network right under the playschool!

We literally HAD to bomb them.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Indeed - I posted a South Park clip a few pages back, proper OG South Park, Stan's uncle taking him hunting and his "it's coming right for us!" shout that allows him to legally shoot any animal.

It's literally all I can hear whenever someone says "There was Hamas in the building".

There was Hamas in the bus,
There was Hamas in the ambulances,
There was a Hamas tunnel network right under the playschool!

We literally HAD to bomb them.

Not sure if you've ever seen Brass Eye, but it reminds me of the paedophile episode, where a paedophile disguises himself as a whole school.

Youtube video

[bots]

there is hard evidence of hamas using their own people as human shields so i don't honestly know what the pair of you are babbling on about

[The Slim Reaper]

There was hard evidence of WMD's too.


Source: trust me, bro.

[Stu]

I love this fever dream that one of the most robust, well backed, intelligence based militaries in the world simply don't have the tactical nous to go in and take out strategic targets of a ramshackle, guerilla operation nowhere on their level without blowing thousands of kids heads off.

I mean based on the playbook so far I wouldn't go paintballing with the IDF.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Stu

I love this fever dream that one of the most robust, well backed, intelligence based militaries in the world simply don't have the tactical nous to go in and take out strategic targets of a ramshackle, guerilla operation nowhere on their level without blowing thousands of kids heads off.

I mean based on the playbook so far I wouldn't go paintballing with the IDF.

The most ludicrous claim I've seen yet was on TikTok where someone was claiming that no one should support Palestine because once Hamas "conquers Israel" they'd be coming for us in the West next(!). They said it with a straight face!! The "Army of Hamas" would invade the UK and US. .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there is hard evidence of hamas using their own people as human shields so i don't honestly know what the pair of you are babbling on about

Yes there is, and I'm not saying that Hamas don't/wouldn't use their people as human shields... I'm saying that the fact that they are known for doing this makes it very easy/convenient to be able to justify ANY and ALL strikes. Hit a civilian convoy? There was Hamas in it. Bomb a block of flats and kill 50 children? One of the flats had Hamas in it.

It's a catch-all excuse that makes a mockery of the international laws designed to protect against targetting civilian targets with "a loophole". Like yeah sure have laws saying that targetting civilians is a war crime. But all you have to do to get around that is say you had intel that there was "baddies in there too" and all of a sudden, it's a legitimate target?

And even if they are - since when did we start saying "Ahh well, they were being used as a human shield" to morally justify the killing of innocent people? Imagine if the police turned up to an armed situation with a gunman holding a kid in front of them and just riddled the pair of them full of bullet holes then swaggered off saying "Ahh well, poor kid was a human shield, but we had to kill that crim!"

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Yes there is, and I'm not saying that Hamas don't/wouldn't use their people as human shields... I'm saying that the fact that they are known for doing this makes it very easy/convenient to be able to justify ANY and ALL strikes. Hit a civilian convoy? There was Hamas in it. Bomb a block of flats and kill 50 children? One of the flats had Hamas in it.

It's a catch-all excuse that makes a mockery of the international laws designed to protect against targetting civilian targets with "a loophole". Like yeah sure have laws saying that targetting civilians is a war crime. But all you have to do to get around that is say you had intel that there was "baddies in there too" and all of a sudden, it's a legitimate target?

And even if they are - since when did we start saying "Ahh well, they were being used as a human shield" to morally justify the killing of innocent people? Imagine if the police turned up to an armed situation with a gunman holding a kid in front of them and just riddled the pair of them full of bullet holes then swaggered off saying "Ahh well, poor kid was a human shield, but we had to kill that crim!"

What are we classing as hard evidence?

Like you, I'm not saying they 100% haven't or wouldn't, I just haven't seen anything beyond propaganda suggesting or showing it.

Everything else, I 100% agree with.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What are we classing as hard evidence?

Like you, I'm not saying they 100% haven't or wouldn't, I just haven't seen anything beyond propaganda suggesting or showing it.

Everything else, I 100% agree with.

To be fair I haven't seen any verified evidence - I am inclined to believe that it happens at times. Just not in anywhere near even half the cases where it's claimed as justification. It's a very convenient get-out-of-jail-free card when it comes to mindless collateral damage.

[arista]

[UserSince2005]

Isreal are bossing this war haha

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Isreal are bossing this war haha

Of course they are, they could obliterate Palestine if they wanted.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Of course they are, they could obliterate Palestine if they wanted.

That's true tbf.

Hopefully they don't though, because while I don't like Hamas and their borderline Nazi beliefs that they're spreading (not just to the Palestinians but to the rest of the world as well) I don't like the fact that Israel are blitzing innocent people en masse.

I seriously hope that some kind of compromise can be reached between both countries, but I don't think it'll be in our lifetime.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Isreal are bossing this war haha

making the wrong choices, you mean


you cannot bomb a hospital, IDF should've worked more closer with the US, with the latter sending navy seals commando's or something, alongside mossad commandos for a much cleaner approach in taking out the Hamas terrorists below the hospital

[bots]

if they are taking out terrorists and their tunnels, they are obviously making the right choices